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Post by Borg3 »

ragall wrote: post #286
Borg3 wrote: post #99

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Because IPv6 is mistake. Thats why market does NOT want it. Unfortunately, we all start to feel the heat of IPv4 exhaustion. Anyway, remember IPv4 classes? Then they made it classless. IPv6 is not 128bit, its just 64bit with 64bit host address. So, first mistake. IPsec mandatory? pure stupidity. Crypto moves fast, every 10 years many protocols are obsoleted. How you will provide E2E connectivity with that? In 1997 IP…

> Thats why market does NOT want it. What market are you talking about ?

Market as a whole Internet. Some ISPs adopted it, smaller fight hard. Enterprise networks are behind too. They all have they reasons.

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Post by nurettin »

BonoboIO wrote: post #224
eqvinox wrote: post #209

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> NAT is desirable for security/network isolation reasons For the love of expletive this mistaken belief needs to have died yesterday. NAT boxes help primarily because they also contain a firewall. But most of 2024's network security problems originate from the devices behind your firewall getting exploited through their on requests, not some random shit connecting from the outside. (Yes, that does still happen, so y…

Amen! In the 2000s I had a newly setup windows xp with the modem on the internet. After 30 minutes it was toast. Riddled with viruses.

I had the same, except I was not running it as admin, so nothing could touch system32 or the boot sector.

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Post by ash »

k_bx wrote: post #88

I'm one of the people who actually use Tailscale for production systems where there are servers physically close to me, or at some other controlled locations, and then there are hundreds of users hundreds kilometers away, all working via Tailscale. I should say two things. Tailscale is amazing and I love it. The system could not exist without it, or I'd have to have at least ten more people in my team to manage all t…

> there are hundreds of users hundreds kilometers away, all working via Tailscale

Do you require your users to install Tailscale?

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Post by wmf »

oefrha wrote: post #93

I’m confused by this New Internet talk. Tailscale is nice and all, but it gives you virtual private networks. To talk to anything you need to first be invited to that private network. It’s more like the New LAN, great for intranet and shit. But how am I supposed to build Internet apps intended for everyone if they need to be invited to my network first? Not to mention most Internet services do need a central backend…

Maybe there will eventually be an Intertailnet that connects all the tailnets together (in some secure, opt-in way of course).

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Post by braginini »

johnklos wrote: post #259
mike_d wrote: post #236

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> TailScale has been at all times a good actor. This is the Cloudflare problem all over again. One day Matthew Prince will get hit by a bus, all the "trustworthy people" will leave, a PE firm will take the company private, and merge it with an ad network. Congrats, the entire internet now has a single companies ads all over it and we let it happen because we happened to like the people fucking us.

Matthew Prince is definitely not a good actor, but that's not the point. What Cloudflare did was they acted like good people, said good things, even did some good things, but once they got enough business and momentum, they then started doing shadier and shadier things, and now they're a protection racket that is happy to protect scammers for a fee. I think Cloudflare's most ardent fans would have trouble articulatin…

Or https://netbird.io which is open-source. You can host the coordination server too :)
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