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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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>The internet has been broken in a fundamental way. It is no longer a repository of people communicating with people; increasingly, it is just a series of machines communicating with machines. LLMs don't talk to each other - humans use LLMs to talk to other humans

Are you sure about that? Can you conceive of LLM generated SEO spam blogs receiving comments from completely unrelated LLM generated comment spammers?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Things go in cycle. Search engine was so much better at discovering linked websites. Then people play the SEO game, write bogus articles, cross link this and that, everyone got into writing. Everyone write the same cliches over and over, quality of search engine plumets. But then since we are regurgitating the same thought over and over again, why not automate it. Over time people will forget where the quality post c…

Nah, you got the right of it. It feels like the end of Usenet all over again, only these days cyber-warlords have joined the spammers and trolls. Mastodon sounded promising as What's Next, but I don't trust it-- that much feels like Bitcoin all over again. Too many evangelists, and there's already abuse of extended social networks going on. Any tech worth using should sell itself. Nobody needed to convince me to try…

I hope / believe the future of social networks will go back to hyperlocal / hyperfocused.

I am definitely wearing rose-tinted glasses here but I had more fun on social media when it was just me, my local friends, and my interest friends messing around and engaging organically. When posting wasn't about getting something out of it, promoting a new product, posting a blog article... take me back to the days where people would tweet that they were headed to lunch then check in on Foursquare.

I get the need for marketing, etc etc. But so much of the internet and social media today is all about their personal branding, marketing, blah. Every post has an intention behind it. Every person is wearing a mask.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

I won't even bet on archive.org to survive. I will soon upgrade my home NAS to ~100TB and fill it up with all kinds of information and media /r/datahoarder style. Gonna archive the usual suspects like Wikipedia and also download some YouTube channels. I think now is the last chance to still get information that hasn't been tainted by LLM crap. The window of opportunity is closing fast.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

> free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. This experiment has been run in most wealthy nations and the artwork renaissance didn't happen. Most older people don't do arts/sciences when they retire from work. From what I see of younger people that no longer have to work (for whatever reason) neither do younger people become artists given the op…

Becoming an artist is difficult. Sure, anyone can pick up a tool of their preference and learn to noodle around. Producing artwork sufficiently engaging to power a renaissance takes years of practice to mastery. We think that artists appear out of nowhere, fully formed, an impression we get from how popularity and spread works. Look under the surface, read some biographies of artists, and it turns out, with few exceptions, they all spend years going through education, apprenticeships, and generally poor visibility. Many of the artists we respect now weren't known in their lifetimes. The list includes Vincent van Gogh, Paul Cézanne, Claude Monet, Vivian Maier, Emily Dickinson, Edgar Allan Poe, Jeff Buckley, Robert Johnson, you get the idea.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

I strongly disagree. I've been answering immigration questions online for a long time. People frequently comment on threads from years ago, or ask about them in private. In other words, public content helps a lot of other people over time. On the other hand, the stuff in private Facebook groups has a shelf life of a few days at best. If your goal is to share useful knowledge with the broadest possible audience, Disco…

I'd think this depends heavily on the subject. Someone asking about fundamental math and physics is likely to get the same answer now as 50 years from now. Immigration law and policy can change quickly and answers from 5 years ago may no longer present accurate information.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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I think a big part of the problem is that internet is also full of him generated dog shit. At some point it became necessary to write a couple of pages about your vacation to Tuscany before dropping the promised recipe to avoid being penalized by google. Now there is now guarantee that the intro filler will ever end or that the eventual recipe will even be something that is desirable or safe to consume.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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>Today, an article was published alleging that Sports Illustrated published AI-generated articles. According to our initial investigation, this is not accurate.

The articles in question were product reviews and were licensed content from an external, third-party company, AdVon… — Sports Illustrated (@SInow)

Oh. So you constructed your site to make this distinction unclear, and then paid for an AI generated article to be put on your site.

I guess that makes it alright then. Nothing needs to change.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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What’s the chance that some of these comments are AI bots? Genuine question. When will OpenAI create an AI PR team?

I just did a demo this week for someone who asked how well GPT4 would write forum replies in their voice. The results were startling to be honest. The only way I would (maybe) tell the comments were AI is that they were slightly better quality replies than the author themselves would have written.

I wouldn't go forward with it because it felt unethical, but it was a really fascinating thought experiment.

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