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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Probably this, yeah. Lease cars as part of your work comp are relatively common in the tech sector here.

Which is nice for us middle earners since we get those almost new models a lot cheaper.

For the same reason, it's also nice for top earners with a healthy attitude towards cars.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions?

If the government discounts cars by 25% - that's one thing. But let's not forget too that the greater part of the cost of running a car (the fuel) is mainly made up by tax on the fuel - it itself is an artificial price.

Nothing about transport is reflective of the underlying reality. Its simply a governmental chess board, and could be shifted at any time by new legislation, eg if a tax is introduced to add 50% tax on the electricity used for cars.

Regardless of the worthiness of this or that cause - its most interesting that none of this the free market in action. Its also licensing, government grants, taxes... in all honesty what is the difference between this and communism - where the government overtly controls the actions of the masses?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Yeah the presence of Dacia at the bottom leads one to suspect correlation with other factors, given that Dacia are quite reliable by design (they literally take the most reliable parts from the Renaults of 10+ years ago and repackage them as new models) As you say, I suspect the lack of scheduled maintenance significantly impacts the ratings here

Dacias are definitely not reliable.

But also there's no bitter taste in your mouth if something is broken. Also you can buy new Dacia every 2-3 years and not be financially ruined

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Every quarter? Even when driving a 15 year old combustion car I have never had a car that needed to go for service that often! My new EV has a two-year service interval to check the coolant and brakes.

It wasn't too long ago you were supposed to do an oil change every 3000 miles which for the average American will happen in less than a quarter.

That stopped in the late 80s / early 90s... Heck, even my V8 (technologically from the 60s) has oil changes every 6k miles...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted: 1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc. 2) No other knobs…

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

We don't like "getting used to" going back in history.

Where the f*ck is a HUD in a tesla? That's exactly the kind of car which should be getting cool space-age tech like that.

Elon already went on twitter and said no HUD ever and disparaged people asking for it.

Why did another comment saying basically the same thing get mass downvoted and killed? HUDs are some of the coolest features in cars and tesla refusing to implement it is a deal breaker for a LOT of people in the know.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Tesla owners are probably so rich they can just buy another when the car breaks down. Or why would anyone buy a Tesla in the first place if they were not angry at money.

That's stupid in more ways than one. These breakdowns sometimes cause accidents.

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This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

> This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. To anyone not into cars I'll give a simple advice: unless you really do a lot of high-speed highway driving (that'd be 80mph+ / 130km/h+, european highways speed), simply buy a Toyota. I don't think you can go very wrong buying a Toyota. And this comes as a german cars lover. The only reason wife traded her Toyota CH-R for a BMW is…

Or the Lexus version of the Toyota with a few hundred kilos of extra sound proofing, for quiet highway driving.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Every quarter? Even when driving a 15 year old combustion car I have never had a car that needed to go for service that often! My new EV has a two-year service interval to check the coolant and brakes.

It wasn't too long ago you were supposed to do an oil change every 3000 miles which for the average American will happen in less than a quarter.

I generally do my oil every 7500 miles using full synthetic.

When I take it in for service I assume they don’t use the expensive stuff and chnage it at 5k miles.

Either way, that’s 2x a year for me. I’m probably below average driving at just shy of 15k miles/year. I think the average is around 15k though. That would be 2-3 oil changes if you did them at similar intervals.

Some companies (ie: BMW) mandate more frequent chnages and higher octane gas etc etc. I don’t use those cars. If I can’t service them myself I won’t buy it (Tesla included)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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There are a few important caveats here: TÜV is no longer the sole inspection authority and a lot of people and dealerships switched away from it, especially when they try to save money. This might favor cheaper brands in this statistic. Additionaly, a lot of the more expensive brands (like VW and BMW) will do the inspection as part of a regular service and inspect the car beforehand, making failures less likely.

So, what you are saying is, that preventive maintenence results in safer cars? Who'd have guessed...

Thing is so, while the ADAC reliability reports exclude brands running their "own" mobility services (often enough outsourced to ADAC, but that's a different story), TÜV data is neutral. And a statistically relevant sample, TÜV is still one of the biggest providers.

It sure means that other brands, with better results, fix certain issues when the inspection is done after maintenance. Which means that Tesla has bad quality cars and bad maintenance plans.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

How is this not an indication of quality? They're not inspecting cars for kicks and giggles, they're inspecting them to make sure you're not hurtling a death device that will kill you and fellow drivers on the autobahn.

Because faults can include items such as the first aid kit expired, tyre inflator expired, headlights out of alignment, a crack in the windshield wiper, worn tyres, worn brakes, or low washer fluid.

These are not initial build quality issues.

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