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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

pacoverdi wrote: post #266
throw555chip wrote: post #248

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I've used nvidia for close to 2 decades on various PC hardware machines, desktops to laptops, Dell, HP, Lenovo and nvidia (binary drivers in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu distribution) work 100%. Zero issues. Old and new machines. Very odd eh?

I bet you didn't use many HiDPI displays during the last decade ;)

Even as a gamer, I prefer to use cheap monitors, wasted too much money on expensive ones in my younger days only to see them break after a few years then the money is gone. I can afford better, I'm just cheap. I imagine I will start using a better monitor in coming years and if I see issues, I'll definitely honestly report them and discuss them. Another thing to think about, more pixels means more electricity used to keep them lit and more electricity to shove images around on the screen for the GPU, higher electricity bill, more carbon in the atmosphere.

I wonder how many HiDPI users also complain about global warming in other forums.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

robertlagrant wrote: post #272
throw555chip wrote: post #245

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I have a mix of systems, have had for several decades, Linux works on all of them, old and new, no issues, seems odd what you're saying, almost like it was entirely made up.

It goes without saying that your experience is completely irrelevant, unless you can prove that you had my hardware working out of the box on one of those devices. Have a look at this simple tutorial[0]. Compare it to "plug it in" on Windows. [0] https://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/ubuntu/install-tp-...

Without reading your link yet, I don't understand why is it difficult to understand when I say all my devices on all the Dell (and Alienware), HP and Lenovo PC's I've bought the past two decades just work on Linux.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

brightball wrote: post #173
throw555chip wrote: post #167

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Yes Google "Ubuntu 2022" or "Kubuntu 2022" if you prefer KDE (I do), install and run it, that's all you have to do.

In that case, the problem still exists. I was running the most recent PopOS (Ubuntu based) and it was still a problem.

PopOS isn't from Canonical. Use Ubuntu or Kubuntu for a wonderful Linux Desktop experience. It's only worked for me since 2006.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ragnese »

throw555chip wrote: post #284
ragnese wrote: post #153

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As someone who has been using Linux exclusively for my personal machines since 2007, here's the chicken-and-egg problem that the Linux world is constantly battling: new technology is always being released and pushed out before it actually works. It's happened constantly since I started using Linux: KDE 4.0, PulseAudio, btrfs (to be fair, most distros didn't really push btrfs as a default), Wayland, etc, and now Flatp…

> Honestly, when it comes to "just working," desktop Linux is worse today than it was when I first installed it on my budget laptop in 2007. I bought a new Alienware PC in summer 2022, installed Ubuntu immediately, wiping Windows. Everything worked. Still does. This happens on every new Dell (or Alienware), HP or Lenovo desktop or laptop I've bought the past 2 decades. I can't buy a new machine that has issues with L…

> Honestly, do you work in Microsoft marketing.

I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'll take the bait this time.

Read my comment again. In it I literally say that I run Linux exclusively on my personal machines. I don't have a Windows computer in my home and the only Mac I have that's still running macOS is a work-issued laptop. What are your Linux-never-Windows credentials? Because I bet they don't beat mine unless you're just significantly older than me and have been doing the same as me but for longer.

If one were to read my comment history, they could only conclude that I'm a huge Microsoft hater/skeptic.

Given that the ONLY mention of Microsoft or Windows in my comment was a statement that hardware manufacturers only test their drivers with Windows, this comment is just a strange emotional reaction to my point.

> Everything worked. Still does.

Read the rest of the thread about Flatpak and Snap. Read people's complaints about Wayland. Dig up some old discussions about PulseAudio and Xorg and how we used to have to hand-edit xorg.conf files to set up multiple monitors. If you insist that there are no problems, shortcomings, or missing functionality with Flatpaks, Snaps, and Wayland, you're deluding yourself.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vluft »

dboreham wrote: post #32
jackmott42 wrote: post #15

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Pretty sure Microsoft is very cooperative on working with AMD and others on this stuff, it may just take a little longer in this case.

> versus depending on Microsoft to have the good will to figure it out on their own dime. Cutler stated in a recent interview that he had a 96-core machine as one of his two daily drivers. I wondered at the time if he pre-announced that CPU since the press about it seemed to reach me a few days later.

Epyc has had 96-core cpus out for a bit over a year now, so probably that.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by criddell »

ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #301
ElectricalUnion wrote: post #252

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> The isolation technology that Flatpak uses (bubblewrap) isn't exclusive to Flatpacked I wish flatpacked apps actually used the isolation (most don't, so http://flatkill.org/2020/ is still true today) but that isolation is mostly under the control of the packager, not you. On this point, Deno ( https://docs.deno.com/runtime/manual/basics/permissions ) and pledge.com ( https://justine.lol/pledge ) are better; you hav…

Most casual users want to see a quick list of permissions and just click allow---not build their own allowlist for every app they download. If you want to build the allowlist yourself, doesn't firejail already do what you want?

It would be nice to grant permissions in a fine grained way and not just have a blanket accept or reject. For example, if I download a weather app, chances are it will want location and internet access. If I don't want it to have my precise location I should be able to deny location but grant access to the internet.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ragnese »

babypuncher wrote: post #279
ragnese wrote: post #153

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As someone who has been using Linux exclusively for my personal machines since 2007, here's the chicken-and-egg problem that the Linux world is constantly battling: new technology is always being released and pushed out before it actually works. It's happened constantly since I started using Linux: KDE 4.0, PulseAudio, btrfs (to be fair, most distros didn't really push btrfs as a default), Wayland, etc, and now Flatp…

I think part of it is because a lot of these more user-oriented features (desktop compositing, sandboxed app stores, hdr, etc.) don't get a lot of attention on Linux until after the two major commercial operating systems get them and prove people actually want them. The monied interests driving a lot of Linux development do not have the same need for these things as end users. To them, Linux is a server, or a lightwe…

That's absolutely the issue. Linux on the desktop is extremely niche, and as such, it doesn't get much attention.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ryankrage77 »

doublerabbit wrote: post #124

Ubuntu is such a turn-off experience for servers. The cloud-init feature is atrocious. You download a "server-live" iso. 2GB. However this uses the cloud-init to download the required files. Why did I download a 2GB file if your going to download it from the net anyway? There is no option to not install from the net without removing network adapter. Boggles me why am I being asked to upgrade my installer while instal…

My first experience with the 'live' ISO forced me to find how to get the traditional non-live ISO instead. I was trying to set up a software RAID, and it would just crash no matter how I tried to configure it. Tried the same thing in the non-live version and it worked perfectly first time. Sadly now the live installer is the only option. I recently set up a machine to run folding@home, and it took me four attempts before the installer didn't crash and I could get a working machine. The trick was to run with all defaults and not change anything. Insanity. How the support forums aren't flooded with complaints is beyond me.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by bitwize »

geodel wrote: post #226
johnbellone wrote: post #95

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This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

As both Windows/Mac user Windows seems way more aggressive with have this online account. I don't know its got that kind of hectoring tone. Well you've been stalling for 2 months and now its time to have login created.

"Windows is a service and updates are part of that service. So if you could reboot to apply updates, say, now, that would be terrific."
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