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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #241
J_Shelby_J wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO, once Adobe comes to linux, or they lose their position in the industry to competitors, we will see the shift. And the main reason is Apple doesn't support Nvidia. There are limits to what you can accomplish editing videos without a beefy GPU, so you're trapped on windows if you're using adobe premier. I mean, games like Valorant require anti-cheat root kits will still keep us on Windows forever, but those are ed…

Adobe is not the only problem. Hardware support, codecs, media support. It all just does not work that well, and I think will not work well for a long period of time. Video editing for years have not been an option for Linux. Sure there are programs, but they often crash, often encode x times slower than corporate paid crapware.

> Adobe is not the only problem. Hardware support, codecs, media support.

Hardware, old to the newest, works the same or better on my Dell, HP and Lenovo machines and has for close to 2 decades.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by robertlagrant »

throw555chip wrote: post #245
robertlagrant wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I have a Linux computer upstairs, and the Wifi dongle (I know, but it's fine!) broke. Buying a new one, or even knowing what to buy, that doesn't require me to USB key some random drivers (probably cloned off GitHub) is a tricky task.

I have a mix of systems, have had for several decades, Linux works on all of them, old and new, no issues, seems odd what you're saying, almost like it was entirely made up.

It goes without saying that your experience is completely irrelevant, unless you can prove that you had my hardware working out of the box on one of those devices.

Have a look at this simple tutorial[0]. Compare it to "plug it in" on Windows.

[0] https://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/ubuntu/install-tp-...

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by torginus »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #236
alentred wrote: post #220

In the context of Linux adoption on the desktop it is not big news, unfortunately. To my mind, overall end-user experience is already better in Linux compared to Windows where similar tasks are more complicated, even before the raw performance starts to matter . Better performance would be a prerequisite indeed - no one wants to move a slower OS - but then there must be other convincing reasons to drive the desktop u…

> And yet, users don't convert to Linux. So there must be other reasons, and performance benefits don't seem to work so far. For enterprise desktop purposes: One central reason is that there is no Excel for GNU/Linux. Accept it or not: the workflows of lots of departments are deeply intertwined with Excel (and it would take an insane amount of work to replace Excel by some other spreadsheet application). Another impo…

Would it? I exclusively use Office365 on the browser for all my Excel needs. It works perfectly, even if it's a bit sluggish.

But I admit, Excel is a side hustle for me.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by blowfish721 »

aarond0623 wrote: post #74
underseacables wrote: post #54

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Thank you, The documentation is really important for me I guess. I feel more comfortable with documentation carefully laid everything out; screenshots are gold. Is there a book that you would recommend that would help a novice like myself learn Linux better?

IMO, the best way to get comfortable with Linux is to get comfortable with the command line, because although every distribution is going to have different UI and built-in apps, the command line is going to stay pretty consistent. Also, a lot of troubleshooting you Google is going to involve interacting with the command line, and it's essential to understand what the commands you're executing are actually doing. I'd…

Was trying to configure a network bridge for a vm just the other day from cli. The guide (for Ubuntu which I was also using) was using nmcli (Network Manager), tried it and command not found, back to searching and was nudged to systemd networking by stackoverflow which didnt work either. Turns out that my system was using Netplan. Three different systems to handle networking, really? Ok, chatgpt convert this nmcli command to netplan, sure here you go just put this in your netplan config file and apply config. Ends up with a botched network config on a headless system.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #204

Is it OK to just mention a common misconception which is still prelevant about Linux? Rolling releases provides STABLE verions of software/packages. It is NOT "bleeding edge" since it is NOT a development branch. It is the latest stable version provided by the upstream (developer/cretors of the software). Point release comes from a time where we didn't have continous development. We didn't have these faster updates.…

> We should be using rolling release distros like Arch/Void/OpenSUSE

No thanks, standard Ubuntu or Kubuntu are great. I don't want a rolling release nightmare like Windows. Steam screwed up by not using at least Debian (base for Ubuntu/Kubuntu) in their Steam console.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vetinari »

J_Shelby_J wrote: post #205
jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

IMO, once Adobe comes to linux, or they lose their position in the industry to competitors, we will see the shift. And the main reason is Apple doesn't support Nvidia. There are limits to what you can accomplish editing videos without a beefy GPU, so you're trapped on windows if you're using adobe premier. I mean, games like Valorant require anti-cheat root kits will still keep us on Windows forever, but those are ed…

Adobe won't come to Linux until they would lose money by not getting there.

They won't lose money, unless there's a competitor, that eats their lunch. Basically something competitive like Davinci Resolve, but for the other parts of their suite.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by uxp8u61q »

heyoni wrote: post #44
uxp8u61q wrote: post #25

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You mean some games built for Windows run better on Linux (and I'd be curious to know which ones actually run better). Some games barely run on Linux, some just don't work, some get broken by new versions, etc. And computers aren't just for gaming. Some people actually work with their computers. Let me know when photoshop or autocad run smoothly on Linux.

Cyberpunk runs exactly 3fps lower on NixOS than on windows during benchmarks on ultra, with dlss and ray tracing. Totally negligible performance difference but being on Linux is not.

Not sure how this is supposed to answer what I wrote, but okay, thanks for the information.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by amlib »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #102
kibwen wrote: post #97

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> Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worked I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect, with the added benefit of actually having the ability to muck around with the innards of my system when I want to, unlike Mac or Windows, which are increasingly locked-down, opaque, and user-hostile. Neither Apple nor Microsoft are consumer desktop OS-focused compa…

>I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect Including touchpad gestures and browser hardware video acceleration out of the box?

Firefox has hardware video decoding enabled by default on linux for years now, only google chrome doesn't want to bother doing the work to enable it. That said, in some cases hardware video decoding may be unavailable due to IP issues that forbid the necessary code to be distributed freely.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by babypuncher »

ragnese wrote: post #153
criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

As someone who has been using Linux exclusively for my personal machines since 2007, here's the chicken-and-egg problem that the Linux world is constantly battling: new technology is always being released and pushed out before it actually works. It's happened constantly since I started using Linux: KDE 4.0, PulseAudio, btrfs (to be fair, most distros didn't really push btrfs as a default), Wayland, etc, and now Flatp…

I think part of it is because a lot of these more user-oriented features (desktop compositing, sandboxed app stores, hdr, etc.) don't get a lot of attention on Linux until after the two major commercial operating systems get them and prove people actually want them.

The monied interests driving a lot of Linux development do not have the same need for these things as end users. To them, Linux is a server, or a lightweight embedded OS, or needed for some other specialized use case.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

> I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak

NO. No. No. No Snap. No flatpak. No rolling release distribution nightmares either. Standard LTS for me (with snap and flatpak disabled with an apt preferences file).

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