Didn't I use some online payment system in 2001 or so, called Kagi?
Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#312How often do you use a general search engine and what are you searching for?
For me, if it is related to my job, I am usually going straight to the docs, language forums, and sometimes stack overflow. It's only if I am looking up a specific error that I do a general search (although that is getting harder and harder as more words are ignored).
Personally, I rarely search. Music related? Straight to Metal Archives. Tv/Movie related? straight to tmdb.org. General Reference? Wikipedia. Stats/Facts? WolframAlpha.
I'd say I use a general search engine only a few times a week total.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my opinion, in not using JavaScript they are missing out on a really nice DX. This is the kind of app that could be highly optimized _despite_ using React or something similar. Knee-capping your hiring to Make A Point (tm) is silly.
Nice DX at the cost of UX. The current state of web development has been ruined by putting developer experience over user experience. A great example that was shared on HN a few days ago: https://ericwbailey.website/published/modern-health-framewor... This person couldn't use the site. But at least the developer got to see red squiggles when they didn't format their object properly! If you see "not using JS as much"…
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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#314Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…
> When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then.
Same. I still do attempt a Google fallback if I don't easily find what I want on Kagi, but every single time, the Google results aren't what I'm looking for either.
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#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm wary of telemetry, but willing to accept it. It's the lack of respect that gets to me. "Yes/Maybe Later"? Showing me a fake Windows update screen once a month to try to get me to use an online account and switch to Edge? Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name? Pre-installing games with advertisement and microtransactions? It's a commercial operating system, for Christ's…
My favorite was when they wanted everyone to switch over from Internet Explorer to Edge (this was before support was dropped), so attempting to search "Internet Explorer" in the start menu caused it to override it with Edge instead. This of course was quite annoying because we still had many applications at the time that (unfortunately) required Internet Explorer. It was even more annoying because when attempting to…
> My favorite was when they wanted everyone to switch over from Internet Explorer to Edge (this was before support was dropped), so attempting to search "Internet Explorer" in the start menu caused it to override it with Edge instead.
Was this before or after they actually removed iexplore.exe?
Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#316This is timely, I signed up last month for the $10 plan and burned through the limit like halfway through the month without even turning it on at work.
When I'm writing code I tend to search a lot, and I'd resigned myself to not using kagi because I didn't really want to bump up to the $25 plan.
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#317How many is unlimited? Presumably they don't get unlimited searches for $10 and, inevitably, someone will use more than they planned for. How much more than they expected is considered "fair use" or however they want to term it and why can't I know that before I sign up instead of guess I'm within what they are thinking?
Whatever the cap is, I’m sure it’s a lot higher than google will let you do before they start rate limiting you or making you do a captcha for every search. Pretty much all search services have some cap, after which they will put up roadblocks to slow you down
It drives me bonkers when I am searching a very deep topic (like looking for specific legal decisions), and Google throws up a Captcha at me.
I am fast and good at searching, but I ain’t that good. I’m going to give Kagi a try for this reason, plus ability to prefer or ban specific sites.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?
In my experience it's not that there's better quality results found, but rather low quality results are skipped. There's a lot filtered by default + it's easy to click "block this domain" when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy. It means that when you're searching for code related things, you often get small relevant blogs in position 3+ rather than SEO spam. For example searching for "current time on JavaSc…
> yet another stackoverflow copy
I never got why these even ever appear in Google search results (or any search results, really). It feels like it would be super trivial to identify sites that are scraped copies of other sites. Granted, without foreknowledge, the engine doesn't know which is the original. But at the very least this can be determined by a human once, and then the problem goes away forever for that particular site.
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#319I think Kagi sounds interesting but the business model is a tough one outside of niche HN types. E.g. I am interested but can't be bothered to pursue it as it seems like an unnecessary additional SAS model cost to my monthly budget. How does search quality really change my life? Entrenched behavior is tough to overcome especially ostensibly free products.
Search needs to be paid for one way or another, the bill might as well go to someone with my best interests in mind.
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#320this is welcome news, and i will likely reinstate my subscription.
however, i'd like to point out that in my understanding, most of my $10 will go to google, in kagi's payment for their search service, rather than support kagi or their mission.
please correct me if that's not the case.