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Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Post by Alekhine »

sotix wrote: post #278
nerdjon wrote: post #60

Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I know very few people outside of gamers that have a full computer outside of one given for work. This is one of the many reasons that my windows computer is solely for gaming (and I use a debloated Windows 10 LTS install) and never has anything sensitive on it. Any general computing tasks happen on my Mac. I wou…

> I would love to ditch Windows and go to Linux for gaming but as good as proton is. I value being able to play my games without hassle more. I play all my games on Linux via proton without hassle. I made the switch 2 years ago and haven’t run into any major issues. At one point, I was playing Elden Ring hassle-free while my friends playing on Windows faced stuttering issues. I am unable to play sim-racing in VR beca…

For certain games it's still borked. Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines is among my favorites and it's unplayable.

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Post by hot_gril »

jrm4 wrote: post #309
hot_gril wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My way of dealing with this is simple, I just don't care. If I were forced to use Windows at work, it'd be annoying, I might curse a few times, but I'd still get my work done at the end of the day.

Sure, but what I'd like to get more people to do (I do this, I teach IT for a living) is to think of it perhaps a little like ecology/ the environment? None of us can individually solve climate change, but that doesn't mean "do nothing." First steps are to talk about it. We've handled shitty companies before, with regulation and other means, we could do it here. Or at least try, which is worth it.

The difference is that the environment (aka the entire world) dwarfs the importance of desktop operating systems. I'll do my part there. Meanwhile I assume Windows's days are numbered somehow, but even if it weren't, I'm not stuck with it. I'm stuck with certain other bad tooling at work instead.

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Post by throwaway290 »

nerdjon wrote: post #72
throwaway290 wrote: post #68

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I think you mistake gamers and normal consumers who do have a choice. Maybe they don't want to pay more for Mac, and that's the only leverage. If they don't play games, they lose nothing.

I don’t think I am? I specifically mention that I know very few people outside of gamers that have a computer. So I feel like most normal consumers have already made that choice and they don’t need windows or Mac.

> but they also realize they have a stronghold so what is the choice for most normal consumers

Did I misunderstand this somehow?

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Post by tamimio »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #86
mythz wrote: post #53

I'm a big fan of WSL, which has kept me on Windows for years more than I otherwise would have. But I can't stand the scammy adware infused OS Windows has become and will be moving to Apple Silicon full-time when the next gen M3 Desktop hardware is out. As a recent M2 Macbook Air owner I'm surprised how much software supports ARM/Apple Silicon natively, where everything I use daily as a .NET developer worked OOB [1].…

I wanted to add a new user account on my new Windows 11 system. It came with Windows Home right. So when I went to add one, it told me that feature is disabled because I have poor man's Windows, go to this other program. So I go to program B. Guess what program B told me? It told me I was using poor man's Windows to go back to program A to add a new user. I had to do it via command line. After I was about to remove m…

I use linux as a daily driver since probably around 2006, but to say it’s a replacement for windows, it’s just not the case, your example for “readiness” is video games, a lot don’t care about that but rather other productivity software, Adobe suite and Adobe acrobat, MS suite, some CAD/3D software, a lot of engineering software like simulators and what not, and you either have crappy alternatives (like anything to replace adobe) or none in the case of other software. That’s why I still have Win10 on a non-upgradable CPU, and as long as I can run these software there, will not update.

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

jodrellblank wrote: post #302
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #161

When I was in 8th grade, one of my teachers was out sick, and the principal took over the class for the day. He talked about frames of reference. To illustrate the point, he asked if we had seen the movie, E.T. Of course, we all had. It was the Star Wars-level blockbuster of the summer of 1982. He asked if we remembered the bus scene. None of us could. "You know, 'Uranus?'" Oh, right. Yes, we all remembered that line…

You start off with a maybe interesting point (Matthew 7:3) and then instead of the obvious conclusion "all software / operating systems are full of flaws, their advocates don't notice the familiar ones and do notice other ones" you go for "windows users are dumb hurr hurr"? Isn't the point of your frame of reference story that it's not "headteacher smart, students dumb" but "headteacher attention drawn to different t…

> You start off with a maybe interesting point...

Uh, thanks? The phrase, "damning with faint praise" comes to mind.

Indeed, my point was precisely the one you, yourself, referenced, but then you turned "most people just don't even notice any more," (because they don't see it like the people on this forum do) into "Windows users are dumb." I simply didn't say that. If you're implying that because I said they don't know how to turn notifications off, I didn't say that because I think they're too stupid to learn how to do so. A simple search would fix it. They just don't feel it's worth the effort. They don't want to spend time shaving that yak. And I sometimes can't blame them, because, in another month, there's going to be another set of notifications to squash from the continual churn of new purchases and signups. It's an eternal vigilance.

> The lesson is Linux users/developers dumb hurr hurr, was it?

I.. don't know what to say to that. It's like you were responding to a different comment than mine or something.

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Post by nightski »

matkoniecz wrote: post #157
nightski wrote: post #71

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Yeah Microsoft Rewards is super annoying, and I'm not sure who even actually engages with it. But if you want to use windows you can remove MS rewards from your account and the notifications stop [1]. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-opt-out-of-...

How often this setting is reset by Windows to default value?

It’s not a windows setting.

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Post by nightski »

ketralnis wrote: post #217
nightski wrote: post #71

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Yeah Microsoft Rewards is super annoying, and I'm not sure who even actually engages with it. But if you want to use windows you can remove MS rewards from your account and the notifications stop [1]. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-opt-out-of-...

IMO "you can turn that off" is absolutely not an acceptable answer to this stuff. It's my computer and it shouldn't be doing anything that I didn't specifically tell it to do. And that's not even to mention how often these setting are reset, or new "settings" added

It’s not an answer, I was just letting them know it exists.

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Post by type0 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #257
capableweb wrote: post #88

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I want so badly be a big fan of WSL, but I just can't, I'm hitting too many issues for it to be productive and I had to jump back into a proper Linux environment... > But they make it really hard to rely on. From random shutdowns, GPU unreliability to data corruption and performance differences with just using Linux directly, I had to move away from it and back to Linux because I felt like I slowly losing my mind tro…

It really is a shame. I've wanted to build a gaming pc for years now, but the dev experience is compromised on windows, and the gaming experience is compromised on linux. People on windows will tell me to 'just use WSL', and people on linux will tell me to 'just use proton'. Both are decent, neither are great. I currently have a linux laptop, and a ps5 and both excel at their respective roles

Don't dual boot, it's not worth it. Just use Windows VM and GPU passtrough, honestly recent Ryzen CPUs are so fast you are not loosing much performance running games in VM (just buy faster RAM).

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Post by jrm4 »

jrm4 wrote: post #93
tivert wrote: post #50

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> Leave it for a proper OS. > It might not be possible for your company issued computers if they don't allow you to use something else[1][2] but for your personnal [sic] uses it is fairly easy. It's not that easy, unless you're willing to make a bunch of sacrifices for the sake of using a different OS. Windows is by far the dominant desktop OS, and there's a lot of software people need and want to use that's availabl…

It is true that it can be difficult -- but, emphatically, no longer an excuse. The Steam Deck has shown that there are no essential technical barriers to rendering the Windows operating system irrelevant. This is good work, and it should be done.

Okay downvoters -- why am I wrong? Genuine question.
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