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Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Post by gabereiser »

wslh wrote: post #34

Virtually infinite noise. While I hate setting up Windows while I feel they are the owner of my physical device (e.g. cannot start the device if I don't know how to proceed with the hidden option of not having a Microsoft account), this is a practice that every vendor is having nowadays with some little differences. It is time to add real pressure to these vendors. The pressure should take into account the power in t…

Yeah. If Microsoft owns my account, they own the OS, they essentially own my PC. At which point do they become culpable to litigation on behalf of their users? If I’m a hacker, my defense would be this - Microsoft sent me a suggestion pop up that I clicked on, got infected with a virus, anything past that is Microsoft’s inability to protect my PC, my person, and others from malicious errant code.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Post by anonymousab »

omnifischer wrote: post #42

I am just saddened employees inside don't comment/protest at the UI/UX/managers. - Do most employees think and accept this is ethical for the longterm of the IT? - Do they not think it is destroying the reputation? - Do the employees not think if they later found a browser or other OS - such behavious is immoral from both economic and technological perspective?

> protest at the UI/UX/managers

Remember, so many of them don't even use Windows itself. They're so unabashedly removed from the actual user experience that I doubt anyone working with them can change their minds.

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Post by tivert »

omnifischer wrote: post #42

I am just saddened employees inside don't comment/protest at the UI/UX/managers. - Do most employees think and accept this is ethical for the longterm of the IT? - Do they not think it is destroying the reputation? - Do the employees not think if they later found a browser or other OS - such behavious is immoral from both economic and technological perspective?

> I am just saddened employees inside don't comment/protest at the UI/UX/managers.

You're saddened by the wrong thing. Most employees have little to no power to change anything. Protest is a kind of insubordination that would likely do no good and lead to personal hardship and little else.

The only people with power in a company are the owners and their designated employee-agents (executive managers). Even in a heavily unionized company, employee power doesn't extend much beyond influencing pay and working conditions.

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Post by throwaway290 »

kotaKat wrote: post #6
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #5

"You might argue that this is Microsoft’s operating system, or that when using Microsoft’s browser and search engine it’s well within its rights to try and sway people away from Chrome." "Microsoft’s behaviors here are totally beyond a simple webpage prompt. I shouldn’t have to be dismissing pop-ups that appear on top of my apps and games, or ones that magically appear after I update my copy of Windows." Windows 11 i…

> What should Windows 11 users do to let Microsoft know that such behaviors are intrusive and offensive? They'll tell you to use the Feedback Hub, but all of that feedback promptly gets discarded or drowned out in the SNR of overzealous "insiders" acting as free QA for Microsoft praising every horrible decision they make.

Sadly, it's similar with Apple discussions. "X is not working as described on Ventura and was like that since update to Big Sur" "try restarting your Mac"

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Post by gumballindie »

mythz wrote: post #53

I'm a big fan of WSL, which has kept me on Windows for years more than I otherwise would have. But I can't stand the scammy adware infused OS Windows has become and will be moving to Apple Silicon full-time when the next gen M3 Desktop hardware is out. As a recent M2 Macbook Air owner I'm surprised how much software supports ARM/Apple Silicon natively, where everything I use daily as a .NET developer worked OOB [1].…

Why not Linux (depending on your line of work). Wider hardware choice, easier to upgrade, and no corporate oversight. Doesn't cover all use cases but it's a good option these days.

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Post by gumballindie »

nerdjon wrote: post #60

Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I know very few people outside of gamers that have a full computer outside of one given for work. This is one of the many reasons that my windows computer is solely for gaming (and I use a debloated Windows 10 LTS install) and never has anything sensitive on it. Any general computing tasks happen on my Mac. I wou…

> Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world.

They did. But they looks in the wrong mirror from the wrong angle. They probably asked a few business people in microsoft what can the company do to increase revenue, and that's what they came up with.

> I would love to ditch Windows and go to Linux for gaming but as good as proton is.

The more people that play on Linux and leave negative reviews for products that don't work the more vendors will spend time on it. Id's say voting with our wallets is worth it.

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Post by throwaway290 »

nerdjon wrote: post #60

Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I know very few people outside of gamers that have a full computer outside of one given for work. This is one of the many reasons that my windows computer is solely for gaming (and I use a debloated Windows 10 LTS install) and never has anything sensitive on it. Any general computing tasks happen on my Mac. I wou…

I think you mistake gamers and normal consumers who do have a choice. Maybe they don't want to pay more for Mac, and that's the only leverage. If they don't play games, they lose nothing.

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Post by Maken »

stetrain wrote: post #31

I got a Windows Notification the other day while playing a game telling me about a "Grand prize giveaway" Nope, not malware. Just Windows. https://i.imgur.com/xVstzqc.png https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/15u6gx8/windows_...

> Nope, not malware. Just Windows.

So, it was indeed malware.

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