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Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Well... my own Safari extension Tweaks for Twitter does, but I recently discontinued it because I got sick of Twitter's shenanigans such as the strict usage limits, and I have no interest in supporting X, the so-called "everything app". There may be other extensions, I don't know. In any case, the technical capability of the API is there.

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Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Firefox randomly broke all my extensions and workflows one day in the pursuit of some obscure technical goal, via forced update that I couldn’t roll back. I asked about it, and they banned me from their subreddit, so I deleted that stupid browser and never went back

And their constant user hostile redesigns. Suddenly tabs are floating separately from their pages. And now if a page is playing audio you can no longer see its favicon, etc Speaking of mobile firefox where did Save as PDF vanish and why? and so on edit: I have been told in a reply the save pdf feature still exists but has been changed for no reason to a different location in the menu

"The favicon will show a special icon to show you which tab started autoplaying some stupid video"

The utter horror. It's so user hostile to make an easy way to see which tab is the source of the annoying sound you are hearing.

Oh, and it doesn't hide the favicon unless you have so many tabs open each tab can only fit the favicon. So for probably the vast majority of users who don't spend their days with 300 tabs they never check constantly open, they don't see this.

So user hostile

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Firefox lost power-users because 1) performance was bad 2) Chrome does very aggressive marketing and various Google sites break randomly on Firefox. And performance was very often bad because of extensions. Perhaps anecdotal, but whenever I ask a Chrome user why they don't use Firefox, that's the main two reasons they cite. I do ask often though. What "certain features" do non-tech-savvy people need? I know lots of d…

>Firefox lost power-users There is no better vertical tab solution than FireFox + Sidebury. If you are using horizontal tabs, you are not a "power-user" of a browser.

>If you are using horizontal tabs, you are not a "power-user" of a browser.

This is just such absurd, elitist, gatekeeping. WTF. How about just not have 400 tabs open? Am I really not a "power user" of my browser because I utilize the bookmark feature.

Get over yourself man

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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> shows tabs on top just like desktop Honestly, I hate this on the phone. But I get it. I had that initial cognitive disruption when FF did this. But once that was gone (idk, like 30 minutes?) I realized it was a lot nicer because I could actually reach the address bar and tabs without needing to stretch my hand. Or if I have a bigger phone, use a second hand. I mean there's a reason navigation buttons on the phones…

I don't mind cognitive disruption at all, as long as I'm getting something better. While the mobile switcher scales much better (how many can the desktop tab bar hold, like ten?), it can take a while to open and sometimes loses your scroll position or puts a tab in a random place in the list. The previews are also so large that it's hard to get an overview. This can make it much slower to switch tabs than on desktop.

>it can take a while to open

Uhhh how many tabs do you keep open? I have 16 or so in the background on firefox on an old ass Pixel 2 phone and it never has any sort of delay.

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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There's a lot of hate any Firefox and the "blessed apps." But come on, chrome and Safari don't sorry add-ons at all! I know there are other apps that support add-ons but the fact is that Firefox is __the only__ "mainstream" browser that does this (quotes because it's 0.25% in the US, as the 4th most popular, behind Samsung fucking Internet). It's popular to hate on Firefox, but this is the nerdiest of nerd issues and…

all this has accomplished in the last decade is a decrease in market share You are confusing cause and effect. We've been saying the same things as we watch Mozilla slowly strangle Firefox to death for a decade. That said, this is great news. I'm very much looking forward to being able to capture embedded videos on Android and maybe even get back my precious DownThemAll.

Here's the thing: Mozilla could literally be shipping 2012 firefox, and I wouldn't give a fuck, and I would still use it. Why? Because they don't spend their days trying to make the internet a more ad infested dumpster fire and prevent me from blocking ads.

Google is actively doing that every single fucking day with thousands of people working towards this goal, with Chrome being an essential tool in that process, as whatever chrome does, everyone else will be forced to do.

Why the fuck would you enable that, even for a little "convenience"?

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Google: Let’s put DRM in the browser, hijack the address bar, webmanifest Omg, firefox screwed me over by showing me an ad. I see. I think no further illustration needed.

Textbook whataboutism. Google is objectively evil, what that has to do with Firefox, my "user agent", showing me Disney ads?

When you choose to continue using the browser from the "objectively evil" company, helping them continue to push those objectively evil goals, because "firefox showed me A ad", because for some reason that is more screwing over your users than literally fucking the open internet....

It's astounding how far people bend over backwards just to not change browsers for the good of the internet as a whole.

"Yeah I could stop hanging out with a serial baby stabber, but the other guy once said my hat was funny, so that's terrible and I will stay with the baby stabber"

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The third one isn't something they're doing, it's the winner they selected in a "responsible AI challenge" competition.

> the winner they selected in a "responsible AI challenge" competition How is hosting "responsible AI" competitions not something they're doing? Sounds like a huge waste and a distraction from what should be their core mission of protecting the web by making the best browser they possibly can. If they want to dip their toes into the AI space to stay trendy and relevant, they could at least do it in a way that constru…

> what should be their core mission of protecting the web by making the best browser they possibly can

In your opinion. I disagree. They could spend a billion dollars on making the best browser the world has ever seen and it would still be used by next to no-one. People use the browser they're given, especially in the smartphone era we're in now. Android users use Chrome. iOS users use Safari, Mozilla isn't even allowed to make a real version of Firefox for iOS.

So they've clearly decided to expand their mission to protect the web. Ensuring AI is used ethically strikes me as relevant to the topic, a little too much like chasing buzzwords to my taste but it's clearly an area of current interest. And hey, maybe a few more people will learn about the Mozilla brand and consider converting to Firefox some day.

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> They got one billion dollars and they're reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead Where have they announced that they're focusing on "agenda pushing"? Mozilla's "agenda" feels like a very tiny part of what they do, it's just that people talk about it endlessly.

I dunno if it's their "focus" but it's a big part of their PR. eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement. The Mozilla incubator has a goal of spending 40% of its money on social justice initiatives. Meanwhile they're cutting staff and resources for browser development, which IMO should be their bread and butter.

> eg their lobbying to get Amazon and NextDoor to cooperate less with law enforcement

Maybe that's a great example of the different ways you can look at the exact same thing. To me that's a privacy cause, and it's one I agree with. What percentage of Ring customers are aware they're providing the police with a direct feed of their front yard?

"Ring Reveals They Give Videos to Police Without User Consent or a Warrant"

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give...

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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I've yet to notice any event where firefox "screw users over" that was not vastly overblown, especially compared to the competitors. People tend to just judge Mozilla way more harshly. It's very unfair: they do good, and we ask even more of them.

I know that its against the rules to imply this, but seriously, there is always so much vitriol that I just don't understand thrown towards Firefox every update that it really gets the old noggin get going. Can we seriously not even contemplate the idea that there might be a certain corporate entity out there with a vested interest in ensuring that Firefox usage is kept deliberately low while at the same ensuring the…

How many members of this very forum are straight up google employees, complete with regular internal propaganda efforts to reassure employees that aktually, google is the good guys protecting you from the evil, politically driven mozilla?
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