Wait has the entire developed world been feeding a real-time transcription of every important decision made at every company direct to the CCP for the past 3+ years.
Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#312Why not switch? I've had good experiences with competitors. I don't know if they're as nice for mass meetings instead of one-to-one or small groups, but at least for the chats I've had, there's never been any reason to go to Zoom. (I care more about spyware, privacy, and user sovereignty than AI training.)
There are situations where it is impossible to switch. For instance, practically all courts use Zoom for remote hearings. When I was in jail Zoom was used for remote visits.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You agree to grant and hereby grant I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant? > import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic…
And after that litany of very specific things, "and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content." Couldn't the whole paragraph just have been that phrase?
Not a lawyer, but generally when whole paragraphs aren't "that phrase" it's because people read loopholes into "that phrase."
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#314Is it only the update in US or world wide?
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#315Why not switch? I've had good experiences with competitors. I don't know if they're as nice for mass meetings instead of one-to-one or small groups, but at least for the chats I've had, there's never been any reason to go to Zoom. (I care more about spyware, privacy, and user sovereignty than AI training.)
> I've had good experiences with competitors That's flipped for me: I've had good experiences with zoom on occasion. The only time we use Zoom is with US customers, so a handful of times per year I'd estimate. Before covid, I only ever heard of Zoom in the context of laughably bad vulnerabilities; then during covid, suddenly it was a new verb used online to mean video calls. In a world where there are many establishe…
Zoom is the only thing that's worked reliably in conferences for me. Some of those apps work for small calls but aren't made for work meetings.
Our university had premium GSuite accounts for every student beforehand and STILL moved all its classes onto Zoom in 2020, because Meet/Hangouts was (and still is) far behind. Aside from lacking some of Zoom's important features and always having random issues with joining meetings, it totally hogs your CPU to the point of it actually impacting meetings, probably cause it uses VP9 which doesn't have hardware accel on most machines.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ToS clearly says all "Customer Content/Customer Input" AKA your words, text, voice, face, etc can be used for "Product and Services Development" which could as easily be a facial recognition database, an FBI-style database of dirt on individuals, or literally anything else before it's an AI.
ToS can't negate HIPAA or any other laws that could potentially be violated though.
HIPAA allows you to waive your privacy rights … not sure whether a TOS would count.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#317Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!
Zoom noise canceling is really good, it can filter my children screaming in the background. Very useful for WFH people
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#318Why not switch? I've had good experiences with competitors. I don't know if they're as nice for mass meetings instead of one-to-one or small groups, but at least for the chats I've had, there's never been any reason to go to Zoom. (I care more about spyware, privacy, and user sovereignty than AI training.)
I'd take Zoom over Teams any day. Multiple times lately Teams has completely crashed trying to view a screen share, and viewing a screen share has taken 3 attempts sometimes, or works then breaks if I maximize the window and the presenter has to stop and start /again/. Zoom never gave me these problems.
I haven't tried the Microsoft thing -- sounds like a pain. Elsewhere in these threads there are some recommendations that match my experience.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ToS clearly says all "Customer Content/Customer Input" AKA your words, text, voice, face, etc can be used for "Product and Services Development" which could as easily be a facial recognition database, an FBI-style database of dirt on individuals, or literally anything else before it's an AI.
ToS can't negate HIPAA or any other laws that could potentially be violated though.
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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#320Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!
Section 4 of the Jitsi Meet ToS grants them similar rights. It's just with mushier language. > You give 8×8 (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works..., communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, and distribute such content solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other…
Jitsi App Privacy:
→ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/jitsi-meet/id1165103905
And Zoom:
→ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id546505307
Looks like one company likes to gobble data more than the other even if both privacy policies are gobble-open.