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Post by theaussiestew »

tikimcfee wrote: post #205
ladberg wrote: post #20

> In short, my brain has crossed a Rubicon and now feels like experiences constrained to small, rectangular screens are lesser experiences. I left Apple 1.5 years ago but was working on the Vision Pro while I was there. I have spend many hours working in the headset and I know exactly the feeling he's describing! Leaving felt like going back in time to using clunky technology and I've been waiting for outside world t…

I feel like I’ve been spamming this everywhere and any time I get the chance, but I really want people to join in and help define this experience with me for developers. https://github.com/tikimcfee/LookAtThat AR VR for iOS and macOS. Millions of glyphs. Instant control. There’s magic here. If this excites you, work with me and help make this a reality! I don’t have all of it in me. I wish I did. I don’t. I don’t hav…

I've been wanting to make this kind of thing for a while now. Basically canvas and 3D view for code. This looks super cool, but I was more thinking for a general platform like VSCode, rather than something limited to the MacOS eco-system. What's the best way to get in touch with you?

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Post by tidenly »

losvedir wrote: post #139
ladberg wrote: post #20

> In short, my brain has crossed a Rubicon and now feels like experiences constrained to small, rectangular screens are lesser experiences. I left Apple 1.5 years ago but was working on the Vision Pro while I was there. I have spend many hours working in the headset and I know exactly the feeling he's describing! Leaving felt like going back in time to using clunky technology and I've been waiting for outside world t…

> For the past week I've been trying to explain to people how certain I am that doing work in headsets will become mainstream This gets at my main question about this: does it feel to you like it will be great for "doing work", which generally happens at discrete places, or something which will apply to life generally, which is the kind of (some would say dystopian) ideal of "augmented reality"? Or put another way, I…

I'm wondering the same thing too. I have tried multiple monitor setups dozens of times now, but always end up coming back to a single display. I can't imagine having a tonne of widgets floating around my work space in 3D is going to do anything positive for my productivity.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by sanderjd »

ladberg wrote: post #120
sanderjd wrote: post #110

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I'm not very skeptical on the "doing work" side of the question. (Though I do wonder about the price point.) But I am skeptical on the "doing life" side.

Yeah I don't think I'll be using one at dinner or hanging out in-person with friends any time soon, but there are a lot of non-work things I'd happily use it for. Gaming, TV, casual internet browsing, stationary exercise, socializing with people remotely (e.g. VRChat instead of Zoom/FaceTime), passing time on trains+planes, etc.

At this point in my life, I do all that stuff with my family around me, and can't imagine being stuck inside a headset.

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Post by dwaite »

alwillis wrote: post #292
MBCook wrote: post #117

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It’s got a full M2 and (reportedly) 16 GB of RAM. In theory it’s capable. That doesn’t mean Apple will expose that. Maybe just not today. The original iPhone had a full OS capable of multitasking but it wasn’t a feature given to the user due to memory and battery constraints. We’ve now had it for years. This was the first we’ve seen of it, and I suspect the on device development story was not one they wanted to spend…

> Time will tell. The iPad can do development. Apple has proven it with Swift Playgrounds. But they still haven’t given us Xcode. So who knows. Apple announced just before WWDC the iPadOS versions of Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro, their professional media creation tools. We've all seen shows and listed to music (and podcasts) created with these tools. While most of the core functionality is the same between the Mac and…

Final Cut Pro has significant limitations over what can be done on the Mac, which limits their ability to do project sharing between the two platforms.

Thats nothing compared to the bash build stages and custom permission setups, third party libraries, bespoke source code management scripts, ruby-based project initialization and preprocessing scripts I've seen amongst Xcode-based projects.

When those fail, you are troubleshooting through logs and at the filesystem level.

If the idea is a version of Xcode without those things but is otherwise fully featured, I think that is actually speaking about some future version of Swift Playgrounds.

Otherwise, "Xcode for iPad" is basically a jailed Mac VM.

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Post by dwaite »

rfgmendoza wrote: post #220
MBCook wrote: post #117

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It’s got a full M2 and (reportedly) 16 GB of RAM. In theory it’s capable. That doesn’t mean Apple will expose that. Maybe just not today. The original iPhone had a full OS capable of multitasking but it wasn’t a feature given to the user due to memory and battery constraints. We’ve now had it for years. This was the first we’ve seen of it, and I suspect the on device development story was not one they wanted to spend…

apple is so determined to prevent any serious code execution that even ssh apps require janky workarounds just to provide a terminal emulation that still needs a second device to communicate with just to do any real work

A terminal for an integrated ssh client should not require any just-in-time code execution functionality.

Or are you speaking instead to a local terminal environment, like iSH or a-Shell on iPad?

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Post by dwaite »

rfgmendoza wrote: post #218
senttoschool wrote: post #51

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This is a valid question and should not be downvoted. Are we going to be able to create a large software project using it without carrying around a MacBook as well? It’d be nice to be able to run macOS when I travel and not have to bring my MacBook.

yes, its the difference between the headset being a bold new computer form factor, or just another peripheral. basically is it a laptop (fully independent), an ipad (excellent secondary device that can do focused work on it's own), or a smart monitor (peripheral with some built in usability)?

My understanding is that it is closest to a 3D iPad with virtual monitor support for remote devices like Macs.

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Post by dwaite »

zmmmmm wrote: post #253
no_wizard wrote: post #216

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would you recommend buying 2 and replacing your TVs with it? I'm legit thinking about this, because the home theater setup I'm looking at will cost nearly the same, but two of these + a great audio system would be amazing. The real question is, can you make two devices sync to each other simultaneously. Probably not I'm imagining

Shared space interaction was notably missing from the keynote. I'm very curious what the vision for the platform for it will be. Meta has put a lot of focus on it so there are a bunch of Quest apps and games where people inhabit the same phyiscal space and all the virtual objects are shared. I feel like it's essential for a platform like this to ultimately succeed, and curious that Apple appears behind Meta on this f…

Whether it has capabilities here or not, it seems like it would be challenging at a $3500 price point to say "and here's features you get if you buy one for each member of your family".

Within an app, the challenge would be identifying they occupy the same space and mapping into the same coordinate system. Easier for VR mode than AR mode, where your mapping can be pretty arbitrary to the available bounds.

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Post by dwaite »

ren_engineer wrote: post #166
ladberg wrote: post #20

> In short, my brain has crossed a Rubicon and now feels like experiences constrained to small, rectangular screens are lesser experiences. I left Apple 1.5 years ago but was working on the Vision Pro while I was there. I have spend many hours working in the headset and I know exactly the feeling he's describing! Leaving felt like going back in time to using clunky technology and I've been waiting for outside world t…

any opinion on why Apple isn't dogfooding this by allowing their software and non-hardware teams to work remotely? Seems like that would be one way to prove it is legit

Up until now, they most likely didn't allow it outside the building.

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Post by dang »

BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #262
musictubes wrote: post #252

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And do you realize that’s by taking the displays off of your desk you can have more of them? Oh, at any size and any location you want. You can continue using the input devices you like but now have as many displays as you want and you can take it with you easily. You assume you will hate it, maybe you will. But maybe the future won’t involve dedicated furniture to put things on and cables connecting them. Maybe you’…

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