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U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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I am pretty much part of the academic system now (part time professor, part time PhD student) working in a field that generally expects a degree (software engineering). I don't think anyone would call me "anti-intellectual", and I live in one of the highest-taxed states in the country. That being said, I really think it's reductive to say that not require a college degree on every damn job is "abandoning the American…

> I really think it's reductive to say that not require a college degree on every damn job is "abandoning the American Dream" This is the quality of argument in your job? I perhaps overestimated academia after all.

Ha! That's what I get for trying to write on my phone; I have a bad habit of omitting words when I do that.

First, I would like to say that, in my experience, academics aren't really any smarter than basically anyone with a desk job. It's not terribly hard to become an adjunct professor; depending on the state and/or school, you can become an adjunct with just a bachelors degree (though most require masters degrees or higher), and there are plenty of very dumb people who manage to get their BS or BA.

Second, the point I was trying to make was that I don't think that the parent that I was responding to was correct about this being an "abandonment of the American Dream". I think it should be encouraged to lower the educational bar for a lot of jobs.

Re: U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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Yeah, particularly the language ones. You do have some non culturally sensitive ones like Ravens matrices, but they're not the default.

By “culture” do you mean being able to speak English? Because I am at a loss as to what else you think is in there.

https://www.clearchoiceprep.com/sat-act-prep-blog/the-most-i...

Basically though, anything that relies on something not printed on the test runs this risk.

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>>> can you cite or estimate more accurate stats? No, sorry. But I don't know if the stats would fully capture what I think the difference is. Like, I remember a case of a cop who shot a teenager who was running away from him in an alley way at night. I think he had been armed but threw the gun away, not sure now. But the discussion about these incidents usually lead to the stats about how being a cop is not that dan…

I've thought about this a fair amount. I think a big difference is psychological. I've done logging (just family gather firewood for winter stuff, not commercially). It can be scary, but the trees and machinery bare no malice towards you, and you can minimize risks just by being alert and understanding the risks. That is, a lot of injuries are 'your fault'. In contrast, in policing people really do shoot at you, they…

> In contrast, in policing people really do shoot at you

Definitely, some people do. Some don't. Some are trying to commit suicide-by-cop. Some are unarmed and not even a threat. Your post makes it sound like anytime an officer decides force is necessary, that it necessarily must be. Let alone, lethal force. Sometimes police get that determination wrong, whether by accident or intent. Sometimes police abuse qualified immunity. This stuff almost never goes before a jury, and on the occasions it does, if there's no bodycam and no other narrative (i.e. the other person's dead), unlikely to result in a conviction.

Angelo Quinto [0] was an unarmed, non-violent, non-criminal, 30-yo mentally-ill Filipino-American veteran killed in his own home by Antioch PD, by kneeling on his neck, while handcuffed. His mother was the person who called 911, and noone asked for the police, she only asked for medical. He apparently wasn't even committing any crime, just having a psychiatric emergency. But the police killed him.

Antioch PD didn’t disclose Quinto’s death to the public for nearly a month, then only after public requests. And there's no bodycam of his death. None of them were fired or charged, and there's no public mention of disciplinary actions. In response Gov Newsom signed eight police reform bills.

The level and frequency of police use-of-force in the US is also too high. It needs to be reduced.

> 'feel' of police work in regards to danger to be quite different than logging or fishing, and ignoring that will lead to the police acting in ways we really don't want.

Equally, ignoring all the above also leads to bad consequences too.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Angelo_Quinto

Re: U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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It's such a silly requirement. One of the few local government jobs I tried to applied for denied me immediately because I don't have a degree. The requirement is built on top of a decades-long lawsuit about political patronage, where agencies are required to write very explicit hiring rules. I imagine modifications to the hiring rules for college degree requirements would require a lot of legal review before they ma…

This is also a silly solution. There is no shortage of people with college degrees. The only result will be lower wages. I am speaking as a SWE who only recently received a degree late in life, purely to assist in my next job search, which I don't expect to be soon. I am not defending such accreditation nonsense.

I'm confused by your post since for one, I never suggested a solution.. but also your post seems to be calling the removal of accreditation silly, but also calling accreditation nonsense. So you seem to be conflicted?
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