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U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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Re: U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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I've never heard any justification for having "college education" as a job requirement. Or at least no justification that didn't amount to "keep out people who aren't like us", or "pretend to be competent", or "posture as exclusive".

maybe if you went to college you could come up with one

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post #10

It's such a silly requirement. One of the few local government jobs I tried to applied for denied me immediately because I don't have a degree. The requirement is built on top of a decades-long lawsuit about political patronage, where agencies are required to write very explicit hiring rules. I imagine modifications to the hiring rules for college degree requirements would require a lot of legal review before they ma…

This is also a silly solution. There is no shortage of people with college degrees. The only result will be lower wages.

I am speaking as a SWE who only recently received a degree late in life, purely to assist in my next job search, which I don't expect to be soon. I am not defending such accreditation nonsense.

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> Don't even need to show a birth certificate Fun fact: Trump rode birtherism all the way to the presidency, then never showed his own birth certificate.

Was there credible doubt that would have been alleviated with proof?

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post #9

I've never heard any justification for having "college education" as a job requirement. Or at least no justification that didn't amount to "keep out people who aren't like us", or "pretend to be competent", or "posture as exclusive".

A college degree from an accredited institution shows that you can see through a task that takes 4+ years to complete.

There are many other ways to show that, and it's silly to limit anything to only people with college degrees, but that's why people do it.

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University education has a been a "baseline" to determine qualified candidates. It also sorta implies broadened horizons, overall mature thought process, and several other qualities that are desirable the advisors/staffers. What other alternatives exists to University education that impart the same level of knowledge and understanding to an individual that can be consistently measured? If education is expensive, then…

Work experience. Even the federal government mostly recognizes enough years of work experience as equivalent to an undergraduate degree, although the paygrade specs tend to want a 2-1 ratio (i.e. 8 years of work experience is considered equivalent to an undergraduate degree). It's hard to articulate many position-relevant benefits of an undergraduate education that people won't also gain from sufficient years working in the field.

Re: U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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Sort of related, ontario is dropping university requirements for police: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-eliminating-edu... I wonder if it's coincidence or the start of a trend back to sanity about job qualifications. Ironically, by becoming almost ubiquitous, university education also becomes irrelevant.

Police should definitely be more highly educated, we see the result of them not being so in the US

I strongly suspect the issues you're referring to are much more an issue with attitude and mindset, rather than directly with education. I think there are probably much more efficient ways to adjust attitude and mindset than broad-based college education.

I'm glad I got a broad-based education. It was definitely the right thing for me, but I think it's a hammer being applied to too many problems that aren't roughly nail-shaped.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently you can just lie about it if people ask.

You can lie about anything people ask you. That's lying's whole thing.

I was referring to George Santos, who has lied extensively about his entire history yet still serves as a sitting representative.

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Sort of related, ontario is dropping university requirements for police: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-eliminating-edu... I wonder if it's coincidence or the start of a trend back to sanity about job qualifications. Ironically, by becoming almost ubiquitous, university education also becomes irrelevant.

I don't think there's anything sane about the Police reducing their job requirements when we see how ripe for abuse the position is and how unstable it has become in the US based on similar reductions. I also don't really understand how university education is "almost ubiquitous"; I see that the prevalence of Bachelor's degrees amongst adults is under 40%. Is the claim that the demographic of 21-32 would have a perce…

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Curiously, it's not even a requirement to join the US State Department's Foreign Service to conduct diplomacy. Just pass the test.

Although certain support positions within the Foreign Service do require a degree, "core" diplomatic officers do not. Want to be a diplomat? Again, just pass the test.

Re: U.S. Rep. Angie Craig drops college requirement for staffers

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything sane about the Police reducing their job requirements when we see how ripe for abuse the position is and how unstable it has become in the US based on similar reductions. I also don't really understand how university education is "almost ubiquitous"; I see that the prevalence of Bachelor's degrees amongst adults is under 40%. Is the claim that the demographic of 21-32 would have a perce…

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"yeah yeah yeah drop the college requirements for everyone", who is saying this?
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