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Post by KyeRussell »

mft_ wrote: post #204
bmcquade wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he cares deeply about the company and its mission, he just lacks the ability to be a bold and decisive leader. This can be a good thing in some cases (he is good at building consensus for example), but can also be harmful.

A quick Google (natch!) suggests that the company mission is: “to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.” Does he "care deeply" about this? If we look at the direction they've taken in recent years, and the products they've launched (and/or killed) - how many of them demonstrate a "deep care" about this mission? How many of them are even tangentially related to this mission? (…

What argument are you trying to make here? This feels very “I’m going to logic you into my view”. Google is a large, nuanced organisation. The measure of Sundar “caring deeply” doesn’t have to be filtered through a marketing slogan.

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Post by mupuff1234 »

baby wrote: post #239
andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

How much influence/impact does a CEO at such a large company have tho? Is it rly his fault?

I assume he has quite a big say in what projects to fund or kill, or what companies to acquire.

Not to mention hiring/promoting the right people.

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Post by medler »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #281
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is sitting near all-time highs in market share: https://www.statista.com/statistics/268254/market-share-of-i... . Search hovers around ~90% for the last several years: https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share Google Cloud is growing faster than Azure & AWS for the last few years: https://www.statista.com/statistics/967365/worldwide-cloud-i... . Cloud was at ~4% market share 5 years ago, now it's a…

>the sky isn't falling on this company yet. I think the change in sentiment is that the sky is no longer the limit for Alphabet. Meta lost that notion big time, and Amazon is so so too. Apple and Microsoft might still be in the "sky is the limit" category, or at least in another category than the other 3.

Microsoft? They’ve been IBM for 20 years.

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Post by ikt »

fatfingerd wrote: post #216
bmcquade wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sundar became CEO at a time when Google needed a leader who could build consensus across different product areas. Sundar was the right person for this role. Unfortunately Sundar is also relatively weak at setting a bold vision to ensure the company continues to grow and innovate, as Larry had done. So under Sundar the company has slowly shifted from being innovative to being very risk averse, incentivising not making…

> Unfortunately Sundar is also relatively weak at setting a bold vision to ensure the company continues to grow and innovate, as Larry had done. I'm willing to presume Larry had bold visions, but if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same. I think it's time to admit that google has been a conglomerate for decades and could no longer run with innovative management. The…

> if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same

In October 2006, YouTube was bought by Google for $1.65 billion.[11]

Google Maps was launched in February 2005.[2]

These are the last 2 Google products I use

Search got replaced by DDG then Ecosia Chrome by Firefox Gmail by my own mail server My Pixel 2 ran out of security coverage and sick of buying a new phone every 2 years I went to an iphone xs

Youtube and Maps are the only two sticky products left and both came about when I was in high school

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Post by lotsofpulp »

medler wrote: post #313
lotsofpulp wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the sky isn't falling on this company yet. I think the change in sentiment is that the sky is no longer the limit for Alphabet. Meta lost that notion big time, and Amazon is so so too. Apple and Microsoft might still be in the "sky is the limit" category, or at least in another category than the other 3.

Microsoft? They’ve been IBM for 20 years.

Not financially.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/mar...

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/net...

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/IBM/ibm/market-cap

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/IBM/ibm/net-income

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Post by esprehn »

ikt wrote: post #314
fatfingerd wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately Sundar is also relatively weak at setting a bold vision to ensure the company continues to grow and innovate, as Larry had done. I'm willing to presume Larry had bold visions, but if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same. I think it's time to admit that google has been a conglomerate for decades and could no longer run with innovative management. The…

> if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same In October 2006, YouTube was bought by Google for $1.65 billion.[11] Google Maps was launched in February 2005.[2] These are the last 2 Google products I use Search got replaced by DDG then Ecosia Chrome by Firefox Gmail by my own mail server My Pixel 2 ran out of security coverage and sick of buying a new phone every 2 year…

From what I observe Google Photos is quite popular. It's from 2015.

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Post by belltaco »

cudgy wrote: post #273
belltaco wrote: post #205

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Imposing that on companies by whatever means(legal, social) will lead to less hiring overall to make it low risk. As much as it sucks to get laid off, I am sure a lot of laid off folks who were hired in the last 2 years would be glad that they have Google on their resume. That will set them up for a good career, since Google is known for a rigorous interview process.

So, going through a rigorous interview process is indicative of expected performance on the job? Shouldn’t the work they did for two years matter more than the few hours of interviewing and solving puzzles?

"Shouldn't", "ought to" etc. don't hold in real life regardless of what we want or think as devs.

A good illustration of this: https://old.reddit.com//r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/thi...

The reality is that having passed an interview at a FAANG company, having any work experience at a FAANG company on your resume opens a lot of doors while looking for a new job, even if it's a few months. Being laid off from a FAANG company is still bad, but if it was part of a broad layoff for cost reasons then it's not bad.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about how this is a bad thing but that does not change reality that those laid off from Google are better off in a job search than people laid off from random companies that no one heard of.

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Post by popol12 »

ikt wrote: post #314
fatfingerd wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately Sundar is also relatively weak at setting a bold vision to ensure the company continues to grow and innovate, as Larry had done. I'm willing to presume Larry had bold visions, but if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same. I think it's time to admit that google has been a conglomerate for decades and could no longer run with innovative management. The…

> if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same In October 2006, YouTube was bought by Google for $1.65 billion.[11] Google Maps was launched in February 2005.[2] These are the last 2 Google products I use Search got replaced by DDG then Ecosia Chrome by Firefox Gmail by my own mail server My Pixel 2 ran out of security coverage and sick of buying a new phone every 2 year…

Isn’t ecosia just a frontend to Google ?

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Post by riceart »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #293
mypornaccount wrote: post #218

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I think it’s pretty ignorant to think a staff software engineer at Google and the cleaning lady are in the same boat

It depends on how you define the boat. I think you can argue that in both cases continued servitude is the only way either of them can get food and a place to sleep indoors. There’s a big gulf of experience beyond that. But you can only form a coalition with someone on the basis of common ground. So while you’re both right, it’s not going to help either the cleaner or the engineer get better treatment if they don’t a…

> I think you can argue that in both cases continued servitude is the only way either of them can get food and a place to sleep indoors.

No you can’t argue that because it’s stupid. A typical google software engineer will have made enough that in their early 30s they can quit/retire and live the rest of their life at at least the same standard of living as that cleaning lady (almost none of them find that an acceptable standard but that’s far beyond food and a place to sleep)

These are not similar circumstances by any means.

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Post by runnerup »

esprehn wrote: post #316
ikt wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I grouped google products, I think successful and launched before 2006 would be the same In October 2006, YouTube was bought by Google for $1.65 billion.[11] Google Maps was launched in February 2005.[2] These are the last 2 Google products I use Search got replaced by DDG then Ecosia Chrome by Firefox Gmail by my own mail server My Pixel 2 ran out of security coverage and sick of buying a new phone every 2 year…

From what I observe Google Photos is quite popular. It's from 2015.

For me, Google Photos started a bit earlier: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picasa
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