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Mastodon hit 10M users

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Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Nah. It includes some of the most disgusting members of society. Curious how you rise so adamantly to their defense.

You're attitude to people is absolutely toxic. Why are you surprised that people side against you?

I'm not surprised. I consider it a badge of honor that neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, white supremacists, sexists, kiddy diddlers, et al, side against me.

You might consider being concerned if your ideas and attitudes align with those of the aforementioned deplorables. And yes, that would be the correct term.

Edit: Calling people by the correct descriptive terms is not smearing. I'm sorry you are confused.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Ok- but what if the planet isn't destroyed after all? What makes you believe we have any control over the climate? What makes you believe that in the sham democracy, your vote makes any difference?

> What makes you believe we have any control over the climate? CO2 has two vibrational modes that are IR active. We release carbon as CO2 into the atmosphere that was previously bound inside the earth's crust. Humans increased the CO2 concentration from 280ppm to 420ppm (pre-industrial -> today). The science is settled. Whether you believe in it or not: Global warming is happening and humans are causing it. I underst…

>I understand that it is something you don't want to be true...

Speaking this way breaks the conversation.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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> How very sad for you. Someone running a private server doesn't want you coming into their living room and taking a dump on the floor, metaphorically speaking. I'm sure if you look around you can find an instance where sexist views are tolerated, and even encouraged. I'm not a sexist. I love women which is why I don't want them to be killed in the womb. I didn't do anything in his living room. He said "we don't serv…

I don't associate with neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, sexists, insurrectionists, kiddy diddlers, and the like. So I haven't had that problem with being refused service. Tell me, is it a problem for you? I can't possibly imagine why.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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If you want to set yourself an interesting challenge, try to figure out why it is you think being on the right wing of politics is incompatible with those opinions. The right wing is large and has lots of factions, with the only thing uniting them being resistance to the left's attempts to reform the system. The big divide isn't over specific beliefs and policies as much as whether you believe the current system tend…

Global warming will be by far the biggest challenge going forward. As long as parties on "the right" don't believe in it, or take it seriously or don't address it appropriately there is no way in hell for me to ever consider voting for anything on that spectrum. I can deal with a little over the top wokeness. I cannot deal with the destruction of the planet.

I would say that the downfall of climate change will be that the parties "on the left" don't believe in it, not really.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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post #173

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

I don’t know why HN seems to have a culture of confusing minority opinions for toxicity and hate. If you are against gay marriage there’s nothing at all toxic or hateful about that. Hell, I know gay people who were against gay marriage when the public debate was at its peak. Where it’s toxic is if any time a gay person talks about wedding planning, posts a meme about the phrase “her wife” having good energy, or share…

> If you are against gay marriage

I didn't use being against "gay marriage" as the example though. I used being against "gay people" as the example.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter. Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by fin…

> Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government.

This is a commonly parroted error. The First Amendment to the US Constitution which protects freedom of expression is mostly between the gov't and you...

...but the CONCEPT of freedom of speech is an ethical concept that goes well beyond the roll of government. It is about ensuring the rights of minority speech and controversial opinions.

Speech that makes you uncomfortable can be some of the most valuable speech people need to hear.

I often find it telling when you ask someone who favors social media censorship if they would prefer themselves be shielded from uncomfortable speech, or if they specifically want everyone to be shielded.

Without fail, they want censorship for everyone else - not themselves.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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The great thing about Mastadon is that you're not actually excluded by being banned from a particular instance, you can go and join an instance that is aligned with your worldview (and as I understand it, still interact with people from other instances).

What do I do if instance A (this is where the person I follow) decides to ban instance B (my instance of choice)? What if this happens more than once? Should I reregister every month and refollow the same people again and again? What if I set up my own server and people will decide that some of my toots are not "left" or "progressive" enough?

Well that’s society working as designed I think.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy against private opinions. I agree with your point about freedom of association, but let's not pretend this is just limited to racism. And if you support the concept of free association, what do you do when it collides with civil rights law?

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>I see you self-identify as a "honkler", which is an explicitly neo-nazi

As a Russian who is lost in modern english langauge: does this "honkler" thing has anything to do with https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk? Also a golang fediverse project.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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After about 6 months hosting my own little private Mastodon instance, I can say the following things: (1) Whoever cares about that but the atmosphere is nice, cozy, exciting and creative. Zero toxicity and probably several magnitudes more meaningful conversations with people from all around the world. This apparently comes from the kinds of people I could find and connect with. (2) Hosting is relatively easy. I think…

> Zero toxicity ymmv. The mastodon.lol (which was a safe space instance) drama over Hogwarts Legacy [0] was a very good reminder that the platform doesn’t matter, its the people. 0, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34748195

There is a pretty solid argument for age-restrictions in any instance - if it could be reliably yet anonymously enforced.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter. Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by fin…

> This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter.

Mastodon is decentralized at the protocol level. It's the opposite of that at the social level. The mob rule may be "decentralized", but it turns out it still sucks. Cross one extremist and get accused of being a bigot / -ist du jour, and them and their friend will run you out of town. No big deal, you say, you can always switch towns? Except no, because the extremists will follow and denounce you for your "bigotry" / -ism, and threaten to do the same to anyone willing to harbor you, and then no town will want you in, because none of them want to be cut off of everyone else. On the main subnet, it's every instance pointing a gun at every other one - even if most believe the common rules are extreme, no one trusts others enough to challenge them.

The irony is, this is basically rediscovering the lessons of past thousand years of civilization. Mastodon is the digital equivalent of a sea of towns afraid of their own people and other towns alike, due to roving parties of political officers executing criminals and wrongthinkers alike. Somewhere along the way people figured that rule of law, presumption of innocence, due process, proportionality of punishment, civilization, are nice things to have.

Anyway. Been there, done that, tried to enjoy it while pretending there is no problem, until the admin retired the instance. I don't feel like participating again. I'm off both Twitter and Mastodon. As much as I hate corporate ad-poisoned Internet, I do have to grant it that it's the more honest one - people will do bad things to each other in pursuit of ad revenue (or revenue in general), but at least they're not pretending too much. They're not bending their own minds past breaking point to feel OK with delivering mob punishment and signalling allegiance to not become targets themselves.

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