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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by noirbot »

Dopameaner wrote: post #144

An observation, Microsoft subsidiaries are being told to use teams. Cisco subsidiaries are being told to use webex in place of slack. We might be in a new world of chaos

I generally agree, but it also does feel like just an extension of dogfooding. If you work for a company that has a product that solves a certain business need, it generally makes sense that you wouldn't hire a different company to solve that need.

Obviously in this case the reasonable response is that Teams and WebEx are worse products and MS and Cisco haven't shown much inclination to fixing that, but that's more the fault of the company's bad products more than anything about the internals.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by ijustlovemath »

LarryMullins wrote: post #279
bmy78 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I wish I could believe that Microsoft appreciates Excel that much. Excel is one of the most empowering applications ever written and the single greatest thing Microsoft has ever been involved with.

What most techies don't get about Excel is that people wouldn't build their businesses around it if it weren't a really powerful abstraction. Sure, a dev could set up a CRUD app, but then you need a dev, which is far outside the budget of most SMBs. Rather than Excel being the root of all evil, we should view it as the empowerment tool that it really is!

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Post by bob1029 »

cacois wrote: post #230
okdood64 wrote: post #171

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Can you elaborate on Valve? Why would Valve not do this? What makes it different?

Not that I agree with the above comment, but Valve is a private company. Hence, they would not be beholden to shareholder pressures. Perhaps the argument the posted intended was to never join a pubic company?

> Hence, they would not be beholden to shareholder pressures.

Private companies have shareholders & related interests/pressure as well.

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Post by blincoln »

kqr wrote: post #156
ledauphin wrote: post #62

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this is terrifying. for all the grief people give Slack, I've used both and I would seriously consider leaving a company that expected me to use Teams long term.

I agree. I went on parental leave a couple of months ago but had I not I would have started using something other than Teams with my colleagues with no regard to what the official platform is. I don't get why upper management thinks they have anything to do with how I communicate with my colleagues. I can only assume they would want us to choose a platform that allows us to work effectively.

> I don't get why upper management thinks they have anything to do with how I communicate with my colleagues.

The organization has to pay for whatever commercial offerings their teams are using, and any non-commercial offerings are likely to either expose the organization's information or at least put it out of reach of controls like legal holds. Use of some free/trial services for business purposes might also introduce legal/contractual liability that the organization is responsible for.

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Post by adsteel_ »

vinayan3 wrote: post #229

GitHub has had so many outages in the last year. I can't imagine this is going to get better if they are going to lay off 10% of people. So many companies developer productivity relies on GitHub being up. I hope the remaining the folks who were not impacted can make large strides in increasing reliability of GitHub.

Word of mouth is no layoffs in engineering this time.

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Post by Sebb767 »

NegativeK wrote: post #273
gunshai wrote: post #188

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Can someone give me the TLDR on why they hate teams so much? I suppose I work in an organization with few true "technical" folks, and everyone is under Microsoft licenses so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I've used both slack and teams. What am I really missing out on here?

I honestly don't understand the passionate opinions about chat/conference software. They're all doing the same thing in roughly the same way, and I don't have a computer that's ancient enough to really notice resource hogging.

> and I don't have a computer that's ancient enough to really notice resource hogging.

Most likely you don't use a conference software bad enough.

That being said, having useful search, a quick UI and actual availability shown is massively helpful. A great comms tool also makes inter-department chats easy and fun (for example via #random). Lastly, the amount of time wasted with "can you see my screen?"/"can you hear me?"/"Doesn't work for me, I'll restart " varies vastly between tools. Having communication, including discovery and screen sharing, just work makes things so much easier.

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Post by shagie »

madduci wrote: post #76
bhaavan wrote: post #6

Gitlab and Github look like they are forked from the same branch. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/gitlab-layoffs-company-to-cu...

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If you're going to use that joke, use Copilot as that's a GitHub product.

And it can't.

And its a boring joke.

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Post by brazzledazzle »

can16358p wrote: post #105
roboben wrote: post #82

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Why don’t they use Huddle then?

I love Slack but Huddle is absolutely terrible. Extremely low audio quality with extreme latency (whereas I have superb quality and low latency on Meet and Zoom on same devices/connections).

It's gotten a lot better for me though latency may be a factor here. But I think it's fair to say it's still not as nice screenhero was in terms of quality and responsiveness. Which is weird because that's who they acqui-hired for creating huddles (well, presumably anyway).

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Post by chrisandchris »

shagie wrote: post #133
corndoge wrote: post #54

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Teams for video, not so bad. If they were replacing Slack with Teams, that would be horrible.

> ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations. This move will be complete by September 1, 2023. We will remain on Slack as our day-to-day collaboration tool.

I really love when one brings in more tools. So let's use Slack for text, Teams for audio and Zoom for video.

It's like most people forgot that in the early days there was a phone and it worked just perfect. Everyone was reachable through it. Now I need to check multiple channels for the same thing.

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