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Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by Dudeman112 »

kilgnad wrote: post #261
Dudeman112 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole idea of caring about "canon" is fundamentally bollocks anyway when it comes to stories

The word has meaning imo. It's used to seperate the fan fiction and maintain consistency during world building. It's quite important for the popular stories of our time, Star wars and the Marvel cinematic universe. I know some people hate those franchises but like it or not, they are some of the biggest mythologies that came out in our time.

>seperate the fan fiction and maintain consistency during world building

Until even the original author retcons the heck out of their world and goes against established, explicit, well explained lore

Star Wars and the MCU are awful examples to use for the idea that canon can be used for consistency and authoritativeness

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by HEmanZ »

weknowbetter wrote: post #287
mlyle wrote: post #165

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> In any case, their point still stands with the $29k figure. Comparing comp for two people who are working really hard, doesn't really work when you're comparing to a median income that includes lots of people who don't work or don't really work. Similarly, comparing median net income (which includes taxation) with a pre-tax windfall doesn't really make sense, either. Further, we're not adjusting for time value of m…

Anecdotally I know a lot of people who work full time in the US and make well under 30k a year.

And for every one making under 30k per year there is one making over 80k per year.

And, very interestingly and more nuanced, you can take into account how a person changes over time. For example, while I was a grad student, I worked full time and definitely fell under the poverty line. But would you really consider me a poor/destitute person?

About 60% of Americans break into the top 20% of household income at some point in their lives(>$110k/yr). In the same vein, almost 20% of Americans will earn less than the poverty rate at some point in their lives ($24k/yr).

Like I said, I think Americans have many problems, but if there is one thing we are good at it is income (and the consumption that comes with it).

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/05/05/308380342/most...

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by kilgnad »

azernik wrote: post #308
kilgnad wrote: post #300

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Bible does not have authority. It simply has a large following. No one has authority over the content in the bible. For the MCU, yes, by law Disney has authority over the MCU.

There are multiple competing authorities, but they are absolutely authorities, and their versions of individual texts are extremely close to each other. Most notably, for the actual list of books there's the Catholic Church for the Catholic canon; the Masoretes for Judaism; Synods for the Greek Orthodox canon; and a broad consensus in the Protestant community. For the texts themselves, the Septuagint and the Masoreti…

By authority i refer to lawful authority. Able to execute lawful enforcement and prevent editing and copying.

No one holds authority over the original texts. There is authority over translations though. But the original is open source with no license.

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by [deleted] »

jtms wrote: post #234
qrush wrote: post #145

So very glad to see this as a long time DF player. The new version on Steam is an incredible leap, and it's clear the only way this would have happened is with a real partner that could help them bring the game to a bigger market. Excited for the next 20 years of building fortresses with my depressed dwarves.

Just spritz them with water mist and they’ll be fine!

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Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by tinus_hn »

program_whiz wrote: post #65

Glad to see this, because they have worked long and hard on this game. For the optimistic, divide ~$4m (post-tax) by team of 2 for ~20 years (they started work in 2002). They've made some money in the meantime obviously, but seeing the final profit doesn't accurately capture the overall investment. Just in case you were thinking of quitting your day job to become an overnight millionaire making indie games.

In calculating this you should also keep in mind the very real risk that that game you’re spending 20 years on doesn’t pan out and people don’t buy it. That risk makes it reasonable for the reward to be high.

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Post by dang »

komali2 wrote: post #68
swarnie wrote: post #46

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Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by dang »

curiousgal wrote: post #37

It's funny how, if those tax dollars were spent properly (helathcare instead of missiles), the brothers wouldn't have needed to make the Steam version of the game.

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Post by dang »

swarnie wrote: post #46
curiousgal wrote: post #37

It's funny how, if those tax dollars were spent properly (helathcare instead of missiles), the brothers wouldn't have needed to make the Steam version of the game.

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Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by sgerenser »

omni wrote: post #129
rtkwe wrote: post #99

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You're looking at the median HOUSEHOLD income. So on average the wages of two people, median income is a bit below half of that at 31k (pre tax I think).

If you look at Table C-1 in parent's source, it has median post-tax household income at 65K which is a much more reasonable number. We're incredibly wealthy, a per-person median income of 19K doesn't pass the sniff test. Keep in mind taxes are much lower at the lower end of the income spectrum as well. If you're married and making the median income, your overall federal tax rate is only going to be about 15%.

If you’re married and making the median household income, your overall federal tax rate will likely be significantly lower than 15%. You’ll be in the 15% bracket, but roughly half your income would be taxed at 0%.

Re: Bay 12 Games has made $7M from the Steam release of Dwarf Fortress

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Post by jy1 »

tiffanyh wrote: post #303
jy1 wrote: post #270

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This is a new version of the game with a GUI on steam. previously it was text only, and not very accessible.

What about a text-only game, prevented them from charging for it?

Nothing per se, but the GUI version has broader appeal so it would sell better.
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