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Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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I use both Visible and Fi (= T-mobile) on one phone, I wish there were a way to fuse the networks and switch packets with millisecond-level failovers so I don't have to keep swapping the active SIM.

There are services that offer bonding like speedify but I don't think iPhone is supported for bonding multiple cellular connections. Not sure if Android phones do. Maybe someone has experience with it?

Speedify lets you bond the cellular to the wifi. It doesn’t let you use the LTE AND 5g from you phone at same time. But it does let you join another phone’s hotspot so you can combine your cellular with the other phone’s cellular.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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Here in Australia 5G is awesome: https://imgur.com/gallery/BFTTMRS Measurement was taken a decent distance from the city in the suburbs.

Whoa what service are you using? I’m on Vodafone 300gb plan and it’s always one bar on 5g. I rarely see speeds that fast too; downloading a game pass game is usually 1MB/s for me

Telstra post paid, 100gb/month for $70 AUD/month

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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Having the 5G logo on your phone doesnt necessarily mean your phone is speaking 5G. It's...complicated. - Most US operators do not have ubiquitous 5G radio coverage, so, they do what is called 5G NSA where your traffic ultimately ends up veing processed by the 4G core infrastructure that they have. Which is already overloaded and a bit creaky. - Some operators can do real 5G, "5G SA", where the whole flow end to end…

I'm a bit confused about your last point. Could you elaborate? Telcos are (in theory, at least) private utility companies, so why does it make sense for them to create the application/use case? Do you mean that Telcos like Verizon are reeling from not creating their own platforms (say, apps or app stores) that charge for use of LTE etc.? Basically, why and how do you think that Telcos are reeling from not capturing L…

Basically, telco is a fee for carriage service. You pay for transport on some network that they build: cellular, fiber, etc. They figure out what to charge you based on historical models of what you used the transport for.

In the days when all that you transmitted were telephone calls, this was easy. Then people started sending IP packets and it got a little harder, but ok, the telcos would just charge a per byte fee. The money was in charging to carry your phone calls and SMSes anyway.

Then the smartphone exploded and suddenly consumers did not give a hoot about phone calls. The sole reason to have a cellphone plan was to get data. The telcos had to expand the network capacity by several orders of magnitude for a customer base that had absolutely no desire to pay by the byte. This blew up their model. Moreover, telcos saw that people were paying $$ every month to folks like netflix, watching video on their phones, chewing up network bandwidth, and the telcos werent getting any piece of that action. Hence the whole net neutrality thing.

The aim isnt that telcos have app stores. They know they cant compete with that. The holy grail is that a telco finds some use of the network that commands a premium price that users will accept. Verizon trades on having the best-est network. AT&T tries to bundle, eg HBO. Tmo goes after the younger customers with discounts.

Now 5G is here and telcos are desperately, desperately trying to find uses for it that cant be satisified by the existing network and biz models. Will they succeed? I wish I knew.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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I know people who are implementing server-based "responses" in cars (e.g. tyre slip control - similar contexts) and need the lowest possible latencies for that. Of course, some of are of the position of "You try to place remote access, control and delegation to critical pieces of my vital infrastructure, expect the most violent level of personal reactions".

Source? I mean. We’ve all heard the marketing bs from the telcos that 5g opens up these possibilities. No engineer, worth the title, would be naive enough to actually believe that and put tire slip control into an rpc call...going over wireless. For real, does anyone actually believe this is a good idea?

> Source?

Impossible (unfortunately) for reasons of privacy.

> No engineer ... naive

Your mistake is to imply that the "drive" lies with engineers - instead of a perverse economy in which some try to promote unneeded novelties to "have something new to sell - to people who already have everything". This was directly admitted by the involved.

> a good idea

Given the above, some believe it a potentially good idea "for the stockholders" (not for "function", as you seem to assume as a perspective).

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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I thought the killer app would be to replace at home wired broadband with 5G wireless. I still think it looks compelling.

Trouble is, as far as I can tell, at 5G frequencies you need micro stations all over the place. If your suburban street has 10 houses and needs 5 stations (with fiber runs to each) to offer mmWave to everyone, it’s basically just the same thing as home broadband yet more expensive.

At mmWave 5G frequencies. 5G also runs on 4G frequencies with the same propagation as 4G.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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It's almost like we could just go back to cables and have a plenty good experience again...

But why? If you had the choice of EQUIVALENT (bandwidth, latency, jitter, reliability, etc…) network connectivity, why pick a wire over wireless?

I would hate to have all the devices in my house connect directly to a wireless signal from the ISP, for example. I manage the DNS and firewall to control what goes on. Giving up that control means more ads and more tracking and nothing good for me. Having fiber come into the house has no drawbacks that I can see, so why trade that away for something worse?

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post #117

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Worked in Telco too. I always wondered if it wasn’t enough to have 1 infrastructure provider like with streets or anything else. Why build the infrastructure twice or three times?

We used to have that - Bell Telephone. It never improved; there was zero need to innovate. Consumers had to fight like hell for the right just to buy their own phones. Telephones were OWNED by Ma Bell and leased to consumers; their argument was “how can we guarantee stability of the network if anybody can connect anything they want to it?” [ed] Government broke them up in the early 80’s; overnight we saw innovation l…

Singapore does a decent job of it. ISPs provide service over shared fiber infra - https://www.netlinktrust.com/

They don't have to be at the cutting edge of future innovation. If customers in the USA or somewhere else, who are paying much more for their broadband, start benefiting from some new technology that requires changes to the shared infrastructure, then Singapore can implement it at that time.

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There's nothing within the 5G spec itself that commands that every single cell site needs to be a massive MIMO supporting 1000s of users at once. Making a micro cell supporting just a family home is enough, then something a bit higher for small businesses supporting 10-100 users, then the likes of Starbucks can deploy bigger ones and finally the Sports stadiums and Corporate offices gets the really high end stuff. Co…

T-Mobile continues to quietly make available their "CellSpot" femtocell for a US$25 deposit, which is good because it's the only way we would have actual cell service here in a rural part of New Mexico. It is doubly good because whatever server T-Mobile uses for their wifi calling service(s) is the biggest dumpster fire in their entire business.

I get fantastic wifi calling service with TMO. Maybe your home internet has latency issues?

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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Are you using T-mobile or another provider that uses them? My 5G connection is trash, but I just switched up Google Fi, which is using T-Mobile's network. Inside my apartment pictures on websites are loading like it's the early 2000's again. I'm in a major city, I thought that would help.

Huh, weird. I'm also on fi and I regularly get 500+mbit down/45-60 up, a handful of times I've gotten 900/80. Suburbs in major metropolitan area.

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My iPhone will say “5GE” in some areas. My iPhone is physically incapable of using 5G. It has no 5G antenna. AT&T just makes it say 5G anyway. They use this to “advertise that 5G is available in that area” or some other weird lie. It’s not 5G for me, and I honestly doubt it’s 5G for others either Completely anecdotally, the internet in these “5GE” areas is usually worse . In fact, nearly everywhere I go anymore my ce…

Same. I get 1.2Mbps with ATT on 5GE in Seattle metro.
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