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Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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I could imagine some place like new york, where everyone rents and you are dependent on landlords for your internet contract as well as your actual ethernet connection, 5g for home network could work.

Why would a renter be dependent on the landlord for Internet? I rent (non-US) and have my own Internet, electricity, and gas contracts.

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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And which 5G it was? Because mmWave one won't really penetrate anything on 10GHz+

They are certainly not using mmWave 5G. Numbers show (1st Google result) that less than 1% of time connected is to a mmWave network. I don't personally get why mmWave part of 5G is talked so much about. 5G over the same cmWave frequencies 4G uses still has a benefit - but mainly for the operator! It allows them more users and throughput for the same amount of spectrum. So in a rational market, the operators should be…

I just benchmarked from my suburban second floor bedroom in the US, and got mmWave (it says 5G UC which is apparently mmWave) and got 500mbit/sec

So I guess some people have it, and use it? It’s basically always on around my neighborhood, but I guess I live in a nice city and Sprint’s old HQ is down the street so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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> Telcos desperately need a killer app or use case that drives 5G adoption. They haven't got one. * Self driving cars? No. * Internet of Things? No. * Metaverse? No. * Remote surgical operations? You gotta be kidding. Everyone in a big stadium can watch the show on their phones, though. If someone was willing to pay for the hundreds of tiny cell sites required.

I know people who are implementing server-based "responses" in cars (e.g. tyre slip control - similar contexts) and need the lowest possible latencies for that. Of course, some of are of the position of "You try to place remote access, control and delegation to critical pieces of my vital infrastructure, expect the most violent level of personal reactions".

Source?

I mean. We’ve all heard the marketing bs from the telcos that 5g opens up these possibilities. No engineer, worth the title, would be naive enough to actually believe that and put tire slip control into an rpc call...going over wireless. For real, does anyone actually believe this is a good idea?

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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I thought the killer app would be to replace at home wired broadband with 5G wireless. I still think it looks compelling.

Maybe in the developing world but I'd imagine most of the developed world got rid of wired internet and replaced it with fibre years ago.

The irony in that is that it's probably the other way around but I'm too lazy to dig up data on that.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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What were the original promises of 4G?

100Mbps down and 50Mbps up.

In some places they did deliver on it. I understand that cellular data is pretty shitty in the US, but in many places in EU you’re getting 100mbps with unlimited data for like 20€ a month. I could even get 200mbps if I pay extra.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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post #145

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5G highspeed signals are so high frequency that they penetrate no kind of matter anymore. Good luck. Only usecase maybe the stadium with a central antenna.

I live in a poured concrete house built in 1950s Ireland. My 2.4Ghz doorbell struggles to speak to an AP about 1 meter away from it through the external wall. I just did a 5G speedtest from my bed and got 250Mbps.

It's probably coming through your window, not the walls. Try it from a bathroom.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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OK, I will bite. Comparing 5G vs 4G as Technology is completely different to 5G vs 4G in real world implementation. That is a bit like asking if Core i9 is faster than Core i7 without knowing the clock speed, core count, cache and power budget. Or for Software developers comparing Python vs Ruby without knowing the code and VM, JIT or not Most 5G network around the world are deployed in higher frequency spectrum. Hen…

> Or for Software developers comparing Python vs Ruby without knowing the code and VM, JIT or not

As far as consumers are concerned we are comparing Python 2 and Python 3

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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It's quite possible to have a single infrastructure provider that does it's job I don’t doubt it. But do you have any examples of this having ever happened? Every case I’m aware of has gone much like the person your replying to describes. For example, I moved to England and spent the better part of ten years trying to get British Telecom to install a working telephone and internet connection at a house in the center…

> But do you have any examples of this having ever happened? Yes, there are whole Wikipedia lists of this having ever happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbank_network This is no rocket science. I mean, even utilities grids in open markets work like this, for stuff like power and even gas. Nowadays even railway networks in Europe are decoupled from operators. Why do people still cling to old monopoly tales?

Because there is a huge infrastructure dependent on old money continuing. They own the financial, the judicial, the media, and the educational institutions, and they insure no other viable alternatives to the mainstream economy they control is even taught as a viable alternative.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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post #152

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Also, providers by and large still haven’t delivered on the original promises of 4G.

I’m old enough to remember the self-driving cars and service robots that UMTS (=3g) was supposed to deliver

Most new cars these days do download maps, traffic, OTA updates etc using 3G, so yes, this did happen

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or is 5G strictly worse than LTE?

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> The user experience matters a lot more when using headphones. Sure, for the use cases where, for example, you're moving too much, wireless is good But you get an inferior experience on most other cases, for example, switching it from one device to another, not to mention spectrum crowding etc

> But you get an inferior experience on most other cases, for example, switching it from one device to another I almost always have a better experience switching from one device to another. It’s zero extra taps (just play/pause of some content on the second device) on my Jabra earphones or zero to one taps for my AirPods (one if they’re already playing media on the original device). Compare that to wired headphones,…

That is, if your device supports it, but upgrades take time and my headphones still work great (and weren't too cheap)
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