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Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by likecarter »

systemvoltage wrote: post #60
GenerocUsername wrote: post #5

I've always wanted to work for Musk, but never felt like I was skilled enough to work on spaceships or cars... But Twitter? I am thinking about applying, so go ahead and quit.

Yea, I have friends who work at SpaceX and seems to be doing just fine. The zeitgeist on HN is basically if you ever do anything challenging, don't even think about it, it is bad for your mental health. You probably should just concede in life, don't work hard, regress into resentment for "rich people" and make sure no one else succeeds. What kind of a shitty place has this become? Supposed to be "Hacker News". Not a…

This tells me you’ve never worked 80 hour weeks.

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Post by alfor »

etchalon wrote: post #209
alfor wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What part would be changing the world?" - Break up the cartel that is mass media + tech giants + democrats - The control on the narrative determine what people think, how they votes, where the world goes. - Making this open and transparent will disrupt many entrenched interests. Huge potential

You think Twitter controls the narrative?

It’s part of it.

What get promoted, what get shut down.

It’s clear for most people moderately conservative.

We can agree to disagree. For my part I think we will see massive changes for the better, time will tell either way.

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Post by no_butterscotch »

alfor wrote: post #55
JohnTHaller wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

80hr+ in-office work weeks with no equity and the threat of being instantly fired for appearing disloyal in Slack or correcting the CEO... sounds fun!

If you want money, work life balance, comfortable pace it’s not the place. If you want to change the world, are ready to push yourself, work with the most dedicated people, it is. It’s a place for very few. I would really like to work in one of his company, but I don’t think I have the stamina for it.

> If you want to change the world, are ready to push yourself, work with the most dedicated people, it is.

Yikes.

Maybe for SpaceX.

For Tesla 5 years ago.

For Twitter 10 years ago.

But now "change the world" is only true for SpaceX.

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Post by leereeves »

danudey wrote: post #301
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

I would guess, though I don't know for sure, that having your hero buy your company and then fire a bunch of your friends and valued colleagues seemingly arbitrarily, including entire teams that exist for actual reasons, probably would dampen your opinion of him somewhat. Like, I like Steve Jobs, he could be a dick sometimes but I think he had the right idea and the right vision overall, but if he came in and bought…

> if [Steve Jobs] came in and bought my employer and then just started firing whole teams and fucking up the product while taking away perks and demanding more work

Isn't that pretty much what Steve Jobs did when he came back to Apple as CEO?

"Ultimately, Jobs axed more than 70 percent of Apple’s hardware and software products."

"His product cuts resulted in the layoffs of over 3000 employees"

"Jobs managed to force the resignation of most of Apple’s board members"

https://www.macworld.com/article/219225/steve-jobss-seven-ke...

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Post by tedunangst »

brightball wrote: post #248
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

There’s a flip side to this: the act of surviving all this culling and thriving afterwards is going to be one heck of a resume addition. The big challenges create big opportunities.

To what future employer? The culling seems almost entirely arbitrary. Are future employers going to see someone with exceptional talent, or a high tolerance for further abuse?

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Post by thatguy0900 »

hprotagonist wrote: post #20
thatguy0900 wrote: post #16

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Those are all fairly related. If you want real free opinions, armies of bots running amok trying to create narratives is bad. And advertisers tend not to like some real opinions(and get weaponized fairly frequently when people see some opinions) so you need to reduce your reliance on them as well. Not that I think that a real free opinion forum would be very interesting, we already have 4chan.

look, my real free opinions are so important that i'm willing to automate sharing them!

Well, if you buy them all checkmark, they will probably be able to stay

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Post by lancesells »

impalallama wrote: post #241
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

The people who worked on SpaceX and Tesla were probably incredibly ideologically aligned with Elon genuinely believing they were changing the world for the better. Its really easy to pitch someone to work long hours when you are making one of the worlds first mass market electric car and honest to god rocket ships. Meanwhile we are a years into total disenfranchisement with entire concept of social media. The sell ju…

An addicted twitter toll with 100m followers starts talking shit about the place you work, purchases a lot of shares, decides to join the board, decides to not join the board, talks more shit, decides to just buy the company, changes his mind and backs out of the deal, talks more shit, changes his mind and buys the company, introduces new features without much thought, releases new features without much thought, turns off new features almost immediately, fires half the staff, complains about advertisers, complains about needing advertising dollars, has an idea to introduce payments and banking, continues to talk shit about his own company, fires people for speaking up, threatens everyone with an ultimatum, and then...

Edit: I don't use twitter but this is what I've been able to parse from HN articles being posted.

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Post by rvense »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #160
lijogdfljk wrote: post #140

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Also imagine job postings. Ignoring Elon for sake of discussion, it would be a big a big boon for my career to work at Twitter.. but when 80% of the staff left? I'd be worried onboarding would be a mess. That i'd be handed several projects that no one knows how they work or what the ramifications are. Ignoring all the red flags and focusing solely on onboarding sounds like misery.. not sure i'd want to take that job.…

> it would be a big a big boon for my career to work at Twitter.. And I'm not even sure it would be a big career boost to join twitter at this point. The way things are going there you'd probably be burned out pretty quickly which would mean a shortish tenure.

For any budding Douglas Couplands out there, I think there's going to be at least a few chapters, if not a whole novel's worth of stories in being at Twitter the next six months to a year. (To say nothing of the last month!)

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Post by danudey »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #210
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

> The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. I think this is largely why he fired everyone. He wants all his employees to be musk sycophants so he pushed everyone else out.

I wonder how many Musk fanboys at Twitter got the axe in the first round of arbitrary, poorly-conceived layoffs.

I wonder how many of them are still fanboys.

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Post by zucked »

kenjackson wrote: post #276
systemvoltage wrote: post #172

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> Republican party who I hate I switched to Republican party since 2020 election, I wouldn't vote for election deniers [1] but plenty of people are doing the right thing. Rationality and reason seems to have shifted from liberals to conservatives. We can't even say biological facts. Many others are leaving the woke non-sense, I want my damn liberal party back from the 90's that was pro free speech and had a kernel of…

"Rationality and reason seems to have shifted from liberals to conservatives. We can't even say biological facts. Many others are leaving the woke non-sense," Isn't it the Republicans that are still saying homosexuality is a choice? Aren't they the ones aligned with QAnon woke-conspiracies? Aren't they ones that pushed that Obama was born in Africa? What biological facts do Democrats say you can't say? At worst, Dems…

At this risk of sounding like a "BUT BOTH SIDES" argument - both sides of the major two parties have elements of undesirability. I register as an independent. I vote for representatives that I feel best convey my hope, dreams, and views into the halls of power. Often, those candidates self-identify as liberals. Sometimes, they identify as Republican. Either way, the faster we can get away from having politics be a team sport and have people think for themselves, the better off we'll all be.

I'll just hold my breath for that moment.

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