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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by threeseed » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 3:59 AM UTC

alsodumb wrote: post #273

7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

I love how the goalposts keep shifting all the time - "Tesla can never manufacture a mass production car", "Elon cannot run a hardware company", "Electric cars can only sell when subsidized". The truth is Tesla and Elon pushed an entire market forward. Tesla paid back their loans while other car manufacturers didn't. SpaceX was not the first in the launch business - they were in fact the only one who attempted to bre…

> The truth is Tesla and Elon pushed an entire market forward

Arguably EU regulations did just as much to make EVs viable.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by rodgerd » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:00 AM UTC

phire wrote: post #70

nemothekid wrote: post #34

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> Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. I don't see what it is about the Twitter product that would require going "hardcore". It's a lose-lose situation; I don't think Twitter's problems would be solved by engineering harder; and you will spend 80 hrs/wk where you can end up fired because people aren't as deterministic as cars. It's a comp…

> I'm not sure what Elon was thinking when he even decided to buy Twitter. The first time? It really looks like it was the result of a disagreement with the Twitter board. They wouldn't accept his advice or help on how to make twitter better after he became a 9.1% shareholder. The offer to buy the company outright might have been more spite than anything else. I think he calmed down and realised what a bad idea his o…

> They wouldn't accept his advice or help on how to make twitter better after he became a 9.1% shareholder.

They were happy for him to become a director. He balked as soon as it became clear that he'd have to pass the same background check as all the other directors. I wonder why that is?

> It's possible he was afraid of what discovery would reveal.

Like... his degrees being dodgy and having been an illegal overstayer in the 90s, which is a documented claim doing the rounds?

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by threeseed » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

memish wrote: post #307

7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

If you think the CEO of Tesla and Founder, CEO, Chief Engineer of SpaceX is a failure, I'm dying to know: What have you accomplished?

Based on what we've seen with Twitter, Musk is one of the worst CEOs around.

And you don't need to be an accomplished CEO in order to see that.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by DaiPlusPlus » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

philosopher1234 wrote: post #131

1letterunixname wrote: post #69

EM->sr engs: "Why did so many good engineers leave?" Sr engs: ... (Because you're an a.h.) People without equity should refuse to work like indentured servants for peanuts only to be told "they're not working hard enough". It's the only way to teach EM a lesson about hubris. $50 says Twitter will die down to a skeleton staff and be kept afloat by third-rate MSPs. No one will want to work on that creaky, steaming pile…

Elon musk is 50 and filthy rich. No matter how hard he gets burned by twitter, he will not be learning.

> Elon musk is 50

Damn, same age as Eminem

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by datalopers » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

alsodumb wrote: post #273

7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

I love how the goalposts keep shifting all the time - "Tesla can never manufacture a mass production car", "Elon cannot run a hardware company", "Electric cars can only sell when subsidized". The truth is Tesla and Elon pushed an entire market forward. Tesla paid back their loans while other car manufacturers didn't. SpaceX was not the first in the launch business - they were in fact the only one who attempted to bre…

https://www.engadget.com/2008-06-30-tesla-motors-elon-musk-p...

This goalpost hasn't moved for 14-yrs.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by randycupertino » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

jasmer wrote: post #275

7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

It takes talent to fail in many of those ways, notably, it's mostly papered over by the success of Tesla and Space X, which will probably be just fine on thew whole. His antics were 'sufferable' in the context of Tesla/Space X, but for a variety of reasons, not at all with Twitter whereupon he's essentially going to be perceived a toxic entity - rightly or wrongly. He needs to find an excuse to get out of there, find…

Man, the top comment is about Waterloo and now we have Operation Market Garden this thread is a history nerd's feast of Vitellius.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by JohnTHaller » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:02 AM UTC

happytoexplain wrote: post #144

rmatt2000 wrote: post #115

I'm a little bit confounded that Twitter's current culture is such that a large number of people contemplate sabotage as an appropriate response to changing employment conditions. I mean, maybe the company culture really is broken.

"Changing employment conditions" is a supernaturally charitable phrasing.

Especially for doubling your required weekly hours.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by ineedasername » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:02 AM UTC

hintymad wrote: post #175

The management is worried about internal sabotage? My Twitter friends said Twitter has been having large exodus. CSL(core systems lib?) team, blobstore team, graph platform team, and revenue forecasting team seemed have all quit. I'm not sure how robust and autonomous Twitter's infra is. Hopefully Twitter will continue to function.

>Hopefully Twitter will continue to function.

When I first heard about twitter I thought 1) that’s a dumb idea and 2) it won’t last long.

I was of course very wrong about #2 but feel increasingly right about #1 the more time goes by and the more (IMO) it provides net harm to society and social discourse.

So I’m sympathetic to the employees stuck there but hoping my timeline for #2 was simply way off and it finally goes away.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by nomel » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:02 AM UTC

alsodumb wrote: post #273

7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

I love how the goalposts keep shifting all the time - "Tesla can never manufacture a mass production car", "Elon cannot run a hardware company", "Electric cars can only sell when subsidized". The truth is Tesla and Elon pushed an entire market forward. Tesla paid back their loans while other car manufacturers didn't. SpaceX was not the first in the launch business - they were in fact the only one who attempted to bre…

From what appears to be a change in sentiment, with younger people, over the past 10 years or so, we appear to be heading into a slump of extreme risk aversion.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 4:03 AM UTC

areoform wrote: post #173

I am chalking this up to Russia syndrome. Personality types driven to do great things aren't easily satisfied. Most are perpetually dissatisfied & they need to raise the stakes. They win the war of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th coalitions. For the first time, they find that things are going fine. All they have to do is nothing. Pull back and consolidate. Maybe refine some things, tinker a bit. But it's not enough. It wi…

> They win the war of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th coalitions. For the first time, they find that things are going fine. All they have to do is nothing. Pull back and consolidate

Pull back and 'consolidate' as Britain keeps propping up Russia to attack the French from both sides. Meanwhile making use of the aristocrats and their still present economic and political power inside the continent.

That wasn't a viable strategy.