Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

Post by mensetmanusman » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #98

mensetmanusman wrote: post #59

They should give drivers a simple way to notify Tesla exactly when phantom breaking happens. E.g. use the mic and when Tesla users say ‘Tesla phantom’ it would send the flagged data to a central repository to train against. Regardless of your feelings towards Tesla, we need someone to figure out safe self driving before the effort is halted and humanity has to wait a century before a new generation tries again (like…

They would never do that as it emphasizes the problem and draws more attention to it.

Post by throwaway894345 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 2:48 PM UTC

progfix wrote: post #197

silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

I find your attitude terrifying. I am glad you can handle your car now, but there are many thousand people driving those cars and they might not know how to deal with those "bugs". I am curious, are you currently holding Tesla stock?

Post by throwaway894345 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

remuskaos wrote: post #302

silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

> But that said, once you learn the quirks it is extremely predictable and robust. I'm sorry, but this sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me. You admit that the car you're driving behaves unpredictably if you don't know it's quirks. But it still sounds like you're defending it. This would be intolerable for most other cars, of not outright dangerous. I'm not trying to attack you, so I'm sorry to be this direct: Why ar…

Post by Retric » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #309

Retric wrote: post #174

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While the erratic behavior of Tesla’s autopilot might cause other drivers to be more cautious are them, I don’t think you should count this in Tesla’s favor. Imagine if every self thriving car company started adding code to scare other drivers, that would definitely have unwanted side effects.

Teslas have one crash for every 4.31 million miles driven with autopilot engaged versus one crash per every 480k for non-Tesla drivers, so autopilot is averting almost 90% of all crashes. There’s no evidence at all of any “it scares other drivers into safety” mechanism, which is to be expected because such a mechanism seems absurd on its face.

Post by Reubachi » Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 6:29 PM UTC

ec109685 wrote: post #164

Reubachi wrote: post #137

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vehicles from 2019 being referred to as "legacy" is the most infuriating thing I've read today. Of course no offense to OP, i've heard it referred as such by others and I know it's not literal. But it's maddening to me though that a vehicle that is still under warranty has a moniker that traditionally means end of life/support in software.

With most other cars, it becomes legacy as soon as you drive it off the lot and they release the next model year At least Tesla mostly keeps updating their older car’s software.