High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

Post by BaseballPhysics » Wed, Jun 01, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

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Agreed. The closest thing this post has to data is the chart of increasing tuition, and despite the claims of 1993 being an inflection point, the graph doesn't actually demonstrate that. If anything, there's a sudden increase in the rate of growth in the 2000s that would be interesting to understand, but since the article likely started with the conclusion and worked backwards, it's no surprise that's not explored.

> I want to know where you think it’s going and why you think that My daughter had four simultaneous academic advisors (general, college, and two honors) during her undergrad, so I think it's going to pay too many administrators for duplicate services or services way beyond the mission of education. Why do I think this, because of this and other duplication\excesses we saw.

Post by jpadkins » Wed, Jun 01, 2022, 5:16 PM UTC

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Given that degree holders go on to make wages much higher than those without, is it really fair that those without subsidize the education expenses of people who will go on to out earn them? Especially given how vanishingly little of it goes to actual education and instead administration and sporting programs.

If degree holders go on to make wages much higher than those without and many taxes are progressive, a subsidy on degrees will be paid for substantially by those with degrees (who may have had their degrees subsidized), and degree subsidization may have positive ROI for the government in terms of future tax revenue from those who got degrees. If you're worried about administrative and sporting expenses, you could cho…

Post by gamblor956 » Wed, Jun 01, 2022, 6:38 PM UTC

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And I'm telling you that if your school was for-profit, it would be even worse. For-profit schools are significantly worse than non-profit schools in every way. And it seems that your real beef is that the taxpayers have decided not to provide adequate funding to the school for basic supplies. You should take that up with your fellow taxpayers, not the school.

Public schools are for profit, that profit comes out of tax payers against their will. Just because they have a tax free status doesn't mean they're not lining their pockets with money. Given the massive artificial increases in costs - they are. I've seen it happen in realtime. This doesn't even approach the problem that industry and academics are seperated worlds. Unis lie and tell you everything is "in demand" yet…

Post by zoolily » Wed, Jun 01, 2022, 6:58 PM UTC

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College costs have increased due to decreased state funding and increased regulation (both legal and from accreditors), which requires more administrative staff. Ironically, decreased state funding leads to an increase of administrative staff too, as universities invest in grant offices, development offices, and outreach departments in an attempt to find more funds.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is at least partially wrong. Are you only speaking of public universities? I worked at an expensive, private, liberal arts, non-profit college, where I witnessed revolting inefficiency. Do such schools receive _significant_ state funding? Any? One example of the waste I witnessed: at the end of the financial year, the student services departments where I worked would blow wha…

Post by devwastaken » Wed, Jun 01, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

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Can't increase tuition if there's no public institutions. :). You can't fix the ship. The political culture is far too ingrained. This makes perfect sense when you realize that public means government controlled and funded. Of course it's going to be largely politically motivated. As an example there are now new required classes that preach about equality and white privilege with dubious accreditation. Not as a conce…

Honestly, how would you propose to generate the political will to just get rid of public institutions? This sounds more like a libertarian pipe dream than a pragmatic solution.