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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by eink-reader-32 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

someotherperson wrote: post #135

jay_kyburz wrote: post #46

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Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

> Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways I'm at a loss for words here. The most lauded Australian prime minister of the last 30 years is the one that banned firearms, dragged Australia into…

I often feel like democracy has failed us. We have elected trash leaders.

My perspective of democracy was that it was to protect us against both unjust rulers and ineffective rulers. The end result was instead of potential kings/rulers fighting each other directly as they did in ancient times, they fight each other indirectly by trying to get votes. They are not much different then previous era's....

Is it really this hard to get a wise ruler who both cares about the well being of humans and can take the long term view? Someone who can tell fact from fiction.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by eink-reader-32 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

cloverich wrote: post #279

snarfy wrote: post #216

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We would all need to basically live an Amish lifestyle. Not many will do it willingly. We really need some breakthrough like fusion.

we need some breakthroughs but don’t need to live like amish. Heat pumps, nuclear, solar panels, electric cars, urbanization that promotes walkability, all exist and go a long way. We need plenty of breakthroughs, lots of help from policy as well, but already have much of what we need to get pretty far along.

Everything you described requires the production of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Being Amish would not :)

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by cutemonster » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

nerbert wrote: post #203

jay_kyburz wrote: post #46

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Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

Well that’s not true, they do accept changes that negatively impact their lives, it just has to come from Mother Nature.

And not until years later -- stopping eating beef would be tomorrow

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by rapind » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 3:07 AM UTC

eink-reader-32 wrote: post #311

someotherperson wrote: post #135

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> Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways I'm at a loss for words here. The most lauded Australian prime minister of the last 30 years is the one that banned firearms, dragged Australia into…

I often feel like democracy has failed us. We have elected trash leaders. My perspective of democracy was that it was to protect us against both unjust rulers and ineffective rulers. The end result was instead of potential kings/rulers fighting each other directly as they did in ancient times, they fight each other indirectly by trying to get votes. They are not much different then previous era's.... Is it really thi…

> Is it really this hard to get a wise ruler who both cares about the well being of humans and can take the long term view? Someone who can tell fact from fiction.

Most of them "can", but the ones who "will" get weeded out early or are made out to be lepers (Ralph Nader comes to mind).

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by lenkite » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 8:12 AM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #181

jay_kyburz wrote: post #46

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Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

One of the most famous speeches in American history: "We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too." - Ken…

That speech is just fluff, feel-good PR written by a professional speech writer.

US wished to flex its muscles since it was losing the space race to the Soviet Union. If the pure-Communists can beat you in an advanced tech area, then there is something wrong with pure capitalism.

When the Chinese start leading the pack in green initiatives and propagandising their efforts, the US will hard-press the accelerator.

Competition is the essence and core of the human spirit.

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Post by squabble » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #309

squabble wrote: post #301

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Why do they put many unrelated things in the same bill? Smaller, independent pull requests seems like a better way.

Actual answer: Because the code management system is built with certain merge restrictions: - A PR can be merged with 50 or more code reviews and approvals if it has 0 rejections - If there are any rejections, the requirement is a little more intense, at 60 or more code reviews and approvals - Once per year, one PR can be merged per year with 50 code-review approvals and any number of rejections. - The company has 10…

Other than the once per year point, these all seem like reasons to make smaller PR's.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by devdas » Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 8:19 AM UTC

api wrote: post #191

asaddhamani wrote: post #11

We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

It’s politically impossible. Even if we do it, the resulting reduction in fossil consumption here will lower their price and cause them to be burned in developing nations. CO2 is CO2 and physics doesn’t care about politics. Poor countries cannot afford the luxury of caring about the distant future and poverty is worse than most natural disasters. There is too much to be gained by exploiting cheap energy to undercut o…

So the developed world could also enable cheap, clean energy production in the third world.