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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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A lot of people get a flu shot every year so on the level of abstraction of "a vaccine" it's not that big of a problem. These vaccines are slightly more side effecty than the average flu shot (flu shots don't usually make you feel as bad for the day or two after the shot) so who knows.

I've never felt weird after a flu shot other than slight pain in my arm. Each shot of moderna knocked me the f out in horrible ways. My pfizerwife was fine.

Anecdotally when I took a flu shot years ago I was knocked out for a day.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Since the daily cases are now up to where they were before the vaccine. Its pretty clear the original promise of the vaccine has been a giant failure. And serious erosion of trust with major medical and political implications. A more sensible approach would be have the at risk group vaccinate. And let the young and strong opt for natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway. In…

>natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway where are you getting this from?

I don't know, but lots of people seem to claim this (without citations).

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Think of it this way, you have two choices: 1. You have a 0.0001% risk of death, and a 0.001% risk of hospitalization, and will maybe spread covid to 5-8 people. Long term effects unknown. 2. You have a 0.00001% risk of death, and a 0.0001% risk of hospitalization, and will maybe spread covid to 1-2 people. Long term effects unknown. Which choice would you take? (note the 2nd option is a conservative estimate of the…

The risk of hospitalisation for most people who get covid is way higher than 0.01% - it's about 1% for a 21 year old man, 2.7% for a 30 year old man and 8.5% for a 50 year old man - and only goes up from there. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mort...

I should've posted where I got the values for Covid risk, my bad. I used this: https://qcovid.org/Calculation and did it for a healthy 25 year old, and then rounded. I don't know exactly what the different between what I used and what the Economist used, but I'm guessing the Economist is using a dataset of people that skewed more symptomatic?

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

My sister is a molecular biologist and VP of a major genomics company. And she gets this stuff wrong like your friend. Having a degree does NOT mean the person knows what they are talking about - it's merely a hopeful Bayesian result!!

The spike protein is expressed from the vaccine mRNA payload in ANY cell that the liposome merges with. And that is known to be any epithelial cell in the body.

Then the cell WILL DIE. And be broken up. And then the spike protein will circulate where ever the "infected" cell was located. It could be in the lymph, in the blood stream, in the gut, etc.

THUS IS IT NOT ONLY IN THE CYTOPLASM!!

The mRNA is gone quickly if and only if the liposome is absorbed.

But BOTH the liposomes and the spike protein is well-documented to persist in the blood stream for 2-3 days! It literally says that in research submitted to FDA for the EUA!

The lipids are merely what is officially listed as "active ingredients". It's SOP to NOT list anything that isn't directly active for the original purpose of the FDA approval. This is where things get very fuzzy and potentially dangerous.

Technically, through "orthodox DNA-RNA-Protein" processes the mRNA doesn't alter DNA, however the mRNA absolutely can cause epigenetic effects and THOSE can alter DNA in some cases (e.g. change mitotic and meiotic processes) and alter gene expression which is often functionally equivalent to changing DNA. The "orthodox" doesn't allow for epigenetics. It thinks junk DNA is really junk (despite being evolutionarily conserved) and that we still operate in a "one-gene-one-phenotype/protein" regime.

Coronaviruses ALWAYS have been endemic. That is the nature of the family at a DNA-level!! You are being a techno-utopian pollyanna to claim otherwise! The real world does not kowtow to your utopianism and that you are an utopian absolutely means you are not scientific, not understanding how science works and you are expressing a religious view, not a reality-based STEM view!

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I have never ever on HN seen an argument about DNA and mRNA, but then again I don't follow the conversation too much. As it seems like you know someone with correct background on the subject, so I wanted to ask you something I've always wanted to know as a young,(late 20s) healthy person with no existing risky precondition in this pandemic: Why should I take a vaccine, when it is now known that vaccinated people can…

The risk of suffering long-term damage from getting covid unvaccinated is way higher than the risk of any long-term side effects from the vaccine or getting Covid vaccinated. Even if the former is low, there's no downside to getting the vaccine anyways. I can kind of understand if someone is avoiding the vaccine and also isolating themselves to protect against the virus, but I really just don't understand the risk-be…

People have a right to take that risk!

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

I have never ever on HN seen an argument about DNA and mRNA, but then again I don't follow the conversation too much. As it seems like you know someone with correct background on the subject, so I wanted to ask you something I've always wanted to know as a young,(late 20s) healthy person with no existing risky precondition in this pandemic: Why should I take a vaccine, when it is now known that vaccinated people can…

The vaccine has an extremely low risk of side effects short term. There is no scientific reason to think there will be long term effects. What exactly are you concerned about? In terms of "we know too little about the vaccine", we know even less about "covid" itself.

The vaccine reduces the likelihood you will get severe covid and require hospitalization. It's like a 22x reduction in risk.

The vaccine reduces your infectious period if you do catch covid, this reduces R0 (R-naught) will help shorten the pandemic.

The delta variant is hospitalizing healthy and young people with no preexisting conditions. Future variants are likely to do so as well.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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The risk of suffering long-term damage from getting covid unvaccinated is way higher than the risk of any long-term side effects from the vaccine or getting Covid vaccinated. Even if the former is low, there's no downside to getting the vaccine anyways. I can kind of understand if someone is avoiding the vaccine and also isolating themselves to protect against the virus, but I really just don't understand the risk-be…

People have a right to take that risk!

The govt has the right to protect public health.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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People have a right to take that risk!

The govt has the right to protect public health.

The government does not have rights. In the United States the power resides in the individual citizens. The "government" are individual citizens selected to do the paperwork. When their corruption exceeds our disinterest, they're done.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

My sister is a molecular biologist and VP of a major genomics company. And she gets this stuff wrong like your friend. Having a degree does NOT mean the person knows what they are talking about - it's merely a hopeful Bayesian result!! The spike protein is expressed from the vaccine mRNA payload in ANY cell that the liposome merges with. And that is known to be any epithelial cell in the body. Then the cell WILL DIE.…

Maybe stop presuming you know more than your sister? Its fine if the spike protein circulates, its a very small amount and it has been modified so it can't bind to your cells. Its fine if it kills a small number of epithelial cells, covid would do 1000x worse. Finally, how is the mrna going to cause epigenetic changes if it can't get in the nucleus?

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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I'm pretty surprised to still see some misinformation in some of the posts here. I have a friend who has a PhD in molecular biology and she described the mRNA vaccines to me. The mRNA is only a piece of the spike protein, and does not enter the cell's nucleus. It only interacts with the cytoplasm. Normally, if a cell had to deal with an actual SARS-CoV-2 virus, it would be dealing with the spike proteins and the enti…

My sister is a molecular biologist and VP of a major genomics company. And she gets this stuff wrong like your friend. Having a degree does NOT mean the person knows what they are talking about - it's merely a hopeful Bayesian result!! The spike protein is expressed from the vaccine mRNA payload in ANY cell that the liposome merges with. And that is known to be any epithelial cell in the body. Then the cell WILL DIE.…

“We know epigenetics exists so this treatment could have some unknown (and dAnGerOus) epigenetic effect because ???.”

Your epigenetic argument against mRNA vaccines is unfalsifiable. The same is true for eating a sandwich. Or crossing the street. Or existing. And the mainstream medi- I mean the “orthodox” dOsn’T wAnT you to KNow high school biology?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but epigenetic changes by definition don’t alter DNA, just change expression.

Your assertion that history/nature is law has been disproven countless times. “This is the way things have always been and always will be” is the classic phrase humanity loves to find a way to prove wrong.

Your arguments would have been similarly applicable to all previous novel vaccines. Should we ignore progress because “this is the way it’s always been” and that despite testing on large time horizons on massive numbers of people “it could in theory still have some unknown effect due epigenetics because ???”?

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