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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by janeroe »

tstrimple wrote: post #270
janeroe wrote: post #263

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> What if that's because "right-leaning" information is truly wrong? What if it's not? > What if cutting taxes doesn't pay for itself? If only we had some kind of experiments in the 20th century that showed what systems lead to impoverishment and hunger. Or better yet two centuries of scientific inquiries and refutations of crank economics on logical grounds. Like you know, Marxism, whose incoherency is shown by left…

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Oh, I thought your "tax cuts not paying for themselves" is a figure of speech. And that's a literal quote. What is it supposed to mean? Like if you steal less from the people, you get less if that's your only source?

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Post by jwond »

s5300 wrote: post #169
ameminator wrote: post #58

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This week, a story broke how Hunter Biden had yet another laptop stolen from him, this time with videos of him doing "crazy sex acts". [0] Yet again, as in 2020, I was unable to share the link below in a private Facebook Messenger group. What else will be censored next, at the behest of the government? I severely mistrust when the government tells you what and who to believe, and that includes our schools. Teach crit…

>I was unable to share the link below in a private Facebook Messenger group. What else will be censored next, at the behest of the government? >Facebook Messenger group >the government Does. Not. Compute. Error However, I do applaud your silliness as "Facebook government" almost sounds slightly correct for some swath of people.

The Biden administration has openly admitted that they are working with Facebook to fight “disinformation”.

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-administrations-admission-the...

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Post by endisneigh »

wolverine876 wrote: post #202
endisneigh wrote: post #180

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How effective is the class? AP English classes have a very similar curriculum ( https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-english-langua... ), yet here we are. The fact is there's selection bias in people who even take these types of classes, and there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure).

AP English is available only to a narrow group of people. > there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure) It seems straightforward to research it.

> AP English is available only to a narrow group of people.

Most regular English classes have a very similar curriculum and almost certainly any English teacher on the high school level will say part of their learning objectives for their students is to improve critical thinking skills.

> It seems straightforward to research it.

How would you? Seems very difficult to me.

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Post by ameminator »

s5300 wrote: post #169
ameminator wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This week, a story broke how Hunter Biden had yet another laptop stolen from him, this time with videos of him doing "crazy sex acts". [0] Yet again, as in 2020, I was unable to share the link below in a private Facebook Messenger group. What else will be censored next, at the behest of the government? I severely mistrust when the government tells you what and who to believe, and that includes our schools. Teach crit…

>I was unable to share the link below in a private Facebook Messenger group. What else will be censored next, at the behest of the government? >Facebook Messenger group >the government Does. Not. Compute. Error However, I do applaud your silliness as "Facebook government" almost sounds slightly correct for some swath of people.

I don't think it's silliness; I actually find it quite concerning.

In recent times, there has been lots of evidence about how the government and social media companies have been colluding together to "prevent the spread of misinformation" [0]. They have been very transparent about this, and discuss it openly [1].

However, it must not be up to the government to determine what is or is not misinformation - this transposes to government censorship in the worst case, and prevents a healthy marketplace of ideas in the best case.

In the case of the "Hunter Biden Laptop" story (which was misrepresented often), it wasn't Facebook deciding on its own to censor it - it was at the behest of the government.

You don't know what you don't know. What knowledge are you missing because it could never be shown, because it wasn't shown to you? In the last few years, I've seriously worried about this. I've had to diversify my media intake as an attempt to mitigate this, even when the reporting itself was of worse quality in non-standard media channels. (In many cases, I found it to be of higher quality, which was surprising).

I would recommend the same to you, because, especially in this case, you won't know what you're missing unless you look for it.

[0]https://reclaimthenet.org/fb-cdc-misinfo-collusion/

[1]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/15/psaki_wer...!

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Post by majormajor »

chitowneats wrote: post #50
haswell wrote: post #13

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It seems like we read different articles. My takeaway is that they’re trying to teach students how to identify bad sources/reporting or outright fake news, not litigate specific news reports. Using 2016 as an example doesn’t invalidate that goal or imply bias.

Hunter Biden's laptop falls under this category. Corporate media and social media companies claim "fake news" and move to censor it a month before the election. An honest look at the actual reporting, as well as what followed, shows that this was not in fact the case.

What did follow? Where is the evidence that we were promised to eventually be shown?

If you make big claims and then don't back them up, it's hard for me to see it as "censorship" vs "hype avoidance."

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Post by guerrilla »

avs733 wrote: post #283
phdelightful wrote: post #133

I think the full text of the bill is only a handfull of paragraphs modifying an existing law: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&Sessi... I try to summarize below by skipping some extra words: "media literacy" means the ability to access, analyze, evaluate, create, and communicate using ... print, visual, audio, interactive, and digital texts. every public high school shall include ... a unit of i…

and this being buried at the bottom highlights not a bias but a limitation and challenge of media explaining law to the public, which is there role. What you posted is fairly dense and obtuse to someone not in the field...it's technical, and it is abstracted from concrete meaning. So the news article about it used examples. People are now reacting to the examples used in the article, and more examples provided. Rathe…

Maybe we should work on elevating just plain literacy while we're at it.

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Post by majormajor »

mc32 wrote: post #88
temp8964 wrote: post #20

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Will they discuss Roland Fryer’s finding against the misinformation regarding to police shootings? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evi... Who is using selective reporting to create a false narrative for what purpose?

There has to be some coordination, if suddenly all the protests and antifa demonstrations stopped seemingly overnight in news reporting. I would be surprised if interactions with police quite suddenly turned less confrontational. People still do things to attract police intervention and police still respond and have to leverage lethal force, but we don't hear that much about it in the media. so, what gives?

Police lethal force is still covered whenever it happens in my local paper.

The protest coverage faded out over time; anecdotally, so have the protests I've seen while driving around town.

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Post by ethbr0 »

forz877 wrote: post #272
endisneigh wrote: post #180

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How effective is the class? AP English classes have a very similar curriculum ( https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-english-langua... ), yet here we are. The fact is there's selection bias in people who even take these types of classes, and there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure).

That's because the problem isn't media literacy, it's culture war. Both sides believe that they are fighting a do or die battle for their ideology, and are likely to support something even if the evidence is dubious because it advances the cause.

I'd hazard the problem is alienation, as a result from destroying traditional community activities and replacing them with impersonal, monetized digital alternatives.

You don't have a yearning to be part of a tribe, unless you feel like you're missing one.

cue histrionics

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6U1p0hehtg

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Post by ameminator »

s5300 wrote: post #178
viggity wrote: post #158

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I'm sure you know this, but you're only being downvoted because they think you're making shit up. I, unfortunately know that you are not making this shit up.

You know that the government has Facebook's internal codebase backdoored and are able to push out new commits, and that they are explicitly doing so to censor the messenger system? Wow, you could probably get a Pulitzer

They don't need access to the codebase to influence Facebook to censor information. You could just ask the social media companies to "block misinformation". There are sources in this thread showing the government admitting to doing that.

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Post by majormajor »

Izkata wrote: post #130
zrail wrote: post #67

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As far as I can tell, most public health decisions made up until this summer have been about preventing collapse of hospital systems. Individual health is of secondary importance to the system being able to handle ordinary levels of non-covid events. Something changed a few months ago and now some states in the US are making decisions seemingly designed to collapse their health systems. It's tragically short sighted.

> As far as I can tell, most public health decisions made up until this summer have been about preventing collapse of hospital systems. If that were true, they wouldn't have gotten rid of the pop-up hospitals over a year ago.

They weren't needed at the time, though. Why maintain them popped up in any one location when the biggest spikes have been moving around?
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