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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by michaelpb »

Normille wrote: post #297
michaelpb wrote: post #232

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> Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Right, I'm sometimes puzzled by how people approach their personal "deal-breakers" that prevent Mac->Lin (or Win->Lin) switch. Many of the issues are presented as though they are bugs or clear-cut missing features, but are in fact subjective preference statements. In this case the "spac…

>Having both an “Open” command and an “Open, but faster and does less” command >I personally see this particular feature as redundant (given there is already thumbnailing and a means to open files) I'm guessing neither of you have actually used QuickLook and/or don't use apps like Photoshop or Illustrator which, even on a fast SSD equipped laptop can take around 30 seconds to open. QuickLook is much more than just a…

First off, thanks for the great reply! My point isn't that it's not useful as much as that it's very preference-based. The good news is though that apparently both Linux (GNOME + KDE) and macOS support this feature, despite my not using it much on any platform, so it's what we're discussing is not even a difference between mac/lin at this point, but just an abstract consideration.

> Being able to check the date or bottom line on a received PDF invoice, without opening it.

I tried double-clicking on a 43-page PDF, and it took less than a second to open on my under-powered Acer (about ~$200, mfg 4 years ago), running stock Ubuntu 20.04. This seems really fast, as it was basically instantaneous from releasing the mouse. Obviously opening up a PSD would be slower, but then again I can always just zoom in on the thumbnail in that case (Ctrl+Scroll zooms in on icons in Linux).

This is making me think perhaps the real difference is that the default programs that open are too slow, eg if Photoshop is the default associated application for all images, or Adobe Acrobat for all PDFs, then I totally would see the need to have a previewer as well, since last time I used those they were realllllly slow.

I dunno, that said, it's all really not important. Then again, what is HN but for getting grumpy about unimportant things? :p

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Post by EduardoBautista »

Quot wrote: post #281
EduardoBautista wrote: post #269

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Do you have an example of a successful open source consumer product business?

Just off the top of my head, Aseprite: https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite Onivim: https://v2.onivim.io/ Ardour: https://ardour.org/ Of course, I don't know how successful each of those projects are, but they seem to be successful enough to continue development.

First one is not an open source and the other two don't appear to be businesses.

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Post by mananaysiempre »

brnt wrote: post #307
mananaysiempre wrote: post #298

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No, that’s not what I meant. I do in fact use the previewer I linked to, and would be worse off without it. I just think that it the apps that make it necessary shouldn’t do so: if Photoshop (or GIMP, or LibreOffice, or whatever) takes 30 seconds to open a file, the solution shouldn’t be to layer on yet another option and make me think whether I want to suffer that delay or reduced functionality, it should be to elim…

For what it's worth, KDE's Okular starts instantly and can preview a wide range of documents.

Evince is also pretty snappy. Not as omnivorous, but let’s be honest, most of my hard drive is PDFs.

Quickly flipping between files with horizontal arrows (or something of a similar complexity) is actually the more interesting function here, I think, and maybe it does warrant a mode. Some picture viewers try to make the switch implicit (flip between files when picture fits on screen, pan horizontally when not), but my builtin mode tracker gets out of sync frequently, and I would absolutely hate to have the same error-prone controls in a PDF viewer, where I sometimes stare at a single file for hours and sometimes flip through a dozen in a minute. No idea how this should be done.

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Post by leppr »

turbocon wrote: post #203
leppr wrote: post #165

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> Ubuntu [...] never does anything I don't expect. Especially when it comes to finder/explorer/nautilus. You expect typing letters while having the file explorer window focused to launch a full recursive file search?

For what it's worth, I discovered this feature on accident because I naturally expected it to do that.

Interesting expectation given that on Windows, OSX and the other Linux file explorers I've tried, typing selects from the list of files in the current folder, with a behavior similar to an HTML "select" element.

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Post by andrekandre »

reedciccio wrote: post #306
andrekandre wrote: post #300

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maybe im way out there but... if you live/sell in a country that respects software copyright/license, then you can sue them or get a cease and desist for using it against your license (say prohibiting commercial derivative or violating your copyright without authorization) and your software, if popular or lucrative, its going to get ripped off anyways like in the real app store (just look at the many clones of many a…

> if you live/sell in a country that respects software copyright/license, then you can sue them or get a cease and desist for using it against your license (say prohibiting commercial derivative or violating your copyright without authorization) Prohibition of derivative makes your software not open source But you can use trademark, instead of copyright to prevent someone else to sell copies of your app. Sort of what…

  > Prohibition of derivative makes your software not open source
hmmm right, maybe my understanding was a little different, i was assuming "if you pay me, ill give you the source if you ask for it" would make it "open source" but that would be incorrect ...

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Post by NoThisIsMe »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #269
andrekandre wrote: post #220

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> but if it's a consumer product...then it isn't going anywhere as a business why?

Do you have an example of a successful open source consumer product business?

ONLYOFFICE (not yelling, that's how they stylize it) and Nextcloud

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by brnt »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #314
brnt wrote: post #307

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For what it's worth, KDE's Okular starts instantly and can preview a wide range of documents.

Evince is also pretty snappy. Not as omnivorous, but let’s be honest, most of my hard drive is PDFs. Quickly flipping between files with horizontal arrows (or something of a similar complexity) is actually the more interesting function here, I think, and maybe it does warrant a mode. Some picture viewers try to make the switch implicit (flip between files when picture fits on screen, pan horizontally when not), but m…

I think Okular only allows flipping through a dir if there are images in there, I can't get it to browse a dir with pdf files unfortunately.

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Post by CRConrad »

milderworkacc wrote: post #270
Normille wrote: post #144

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Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

If we're doing the 'showstoppers on the Linux migration', I must yet again ask why no other file manager on any other operating system can do as Finder has been able to do since the 90s and display the total recursive size of a directory in bytes! The combination of this feature (including sort-by this directory size when listing dir contents) and quicklook makes the Mac the only place I ever want to actually manage…

Terminal?

Maybe not very Mac. ;-p

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by CRConrad »

lordgroff wrote: post #238
michaelpb wrote: post #232

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> Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Right, I'm sometimes puzzled by how people approach their personal "deal-breakers" that prevent Mac->Lin (or Win->Lin) switch. Many of the issues are presented as though they are bugs or clear-cut missing features, but are in fact subjective preference statements. In this case the "spac…

I always feel like I'm in a different plane from the rest of the universe when discussing these things. When I read how Linux DEs are "obviously" garbage, I just generally throw up a thought bubble with few question marks above my head in confusion and go on with my day. I find Mac OS a frustrating experience personally, but assume it's mostly a result of not being used to it.

> I find Mac OS a frustrating experience personally, but assume it's mostly a result of not being used to it.

I used it at my previous job, 2014-18 -- got the choice between a Mac and IIRC a ThinkPad when I started, and never having used a Mac before I wanted to finally try it -- and got a MacBook Pro, can't recall the vintage. Broke the screen a couple years later, got a 2016. But, anyway: Took a while to get used to the OS, and certainly didn't feel all that "super-intuitive" as the hype has had it for all these years.

So, observation #1: If I could get used to it (and I got quite comfortable after a while), I can't see why people can't go the other way just as easily.

Can't recall the OS version at the beginning (one of the last of the big cats, or some US body of water?), but later it upgraded via various Californian (or Oregon, Washington?) rivers or lakes to Maverick and finally, I think (for the last few months), to El Capitan. Can't recall if it set in right away, but after a couple of years at the latest I noticed the same thing as many here have mentioned, namely

Observation #2: With every new version, the OS gets a little more limited and locked down.

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