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Post by tehjoker »

linuxftw wrote: post #273
tehjoker wrote: post #209

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They were found to inhibit infection via PCR testing and comparison with a control group. There may be a waning effect, especially with delta. I don't believe they're perfect by any means, but they certainly aren't worthless.

That is absolutely not something the found in the clinical trials.

"Results: BNT162b2 continued to be safe and well tolerated. Few participants had adverse events leading to study withdrawal. VE against COVID-19 was 91% (95% CI 89.0‒93.2) through up to 6 months of follow-up, among evaluable participants and irrespective of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. VE of 86%‒100% was seen across countries and in populations with diverse characteristics of age, sex, race/ethnicity, and COVID-19 risk factors in participants without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. VE against severe disease was 97% (95% CI 80.3‒ 99.9). In South Africa, where the SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern, B.1.351 (beta), was predominant, 100% (95% CI 53.5, 100.0) VE was observed."

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"Among 42,094 evaluable ≥12-year-olds without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 77 COVID-19 cases with onset ≥7 days post-dose 2 were observed through the data cut-off (March 13, 2021) among vaccine recipients and 850 among placebo recipients, corresponding to 91.3% VE (95% CI [89.0-93.2]; Table 2). Among 44,486 evaluable participants, irrespective of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 81 COVID-19 cases were observed among vaccine and 873 among placebo recipients, corresponding to 91.1% VE (95% CI [88.8-93.0]).

In the all-available population with evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection based on positive baseline N-binding antibody test, 2 COVID-19 cases were observed post-dose 1 among vaccine and 7 among placebo recipients. In participants with evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection by positive nucleic acid amplification test at baseline, no difference in COVID-19 cases was observed between vaccine (n=10) and placebo (n=9) recipients (Table S5). COVID-19 was less frequent among placebo recipients with positive N-binding antibodies at study entry (7/542; ~1.3% attack rate) than among those without evidence of infection at study entry (1015/21,521; ~4.7% attack rate), indicating ~72.6% protection by previous infection."

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Efficacy peaked at 96.2% during the interval from 7 days to https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v...

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Post by dennis_jeeves »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #286
goodells wrote: post #7

I am an EMT and talk to a lot of nurses, PAs, and physicians in various circles. This wave is worse for a few reasons. - Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. Nobody can muster any more compassion, especially for these people. Patients and people at large, not even just the total-nutjob anti-vaxxers, are tired of restrictions. "…

Fwiw my Uncle is a nurse in North NJ and says this “wave” is nothing. Small uptick over last summer. Nothing like last April when it first hit.

Hey thanks, first hand comments like your's help, where misinformation the norm.

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Post by greedo »

bzbarsky wrote: post #259
greedo wrote: post #242

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I haven't researched this at all, so perhaps these type of studies are out there, but I think it would be interesting to see how exemptions/credits and deductions were actually utilized over time. We have roughly 200B tax returns filed since the income tax was created (not counting corporate returns). It would be good to be able to visualize how tax collections changed over time etc.

There are absolutely studies out there. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57061 and similar for other years (this is data through 2018, but published this year, presumably after they are pretty sure that various delayed tax return filing has happened and whatnot). This only goes back to 1979, though. If you find something with data older than that I would be interested. Of interest in the document I linked to is "Exhib…

Oh awesome find, thank you! It's too bad it only goes back to 1979, I'd love to see changes since before Kennedy.

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Post by dennis_jeeves »

linuxftw wrote: post #14

All the lockdowns started because we didn't want to overwhelm the hospital system. In the US, the hospital system, at least the ERs were already running on fumes. Our politicians have decided it's better to play world police and kill people overseas than invest in community hospitals. All the billions handed out to the vaccine companies and the propaganda machines, but no investment in increasing hospital capacity. T…

>Let's just blame the unvaccinated though.

It's a modern day witch hunt.

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Post by didntknowya »

armchairhacker wrote: post #28

I've never worked as a nurse or doctor but it's hard to imagine what they go through. Every day they deal with people in serious pain, people with traumatic injuries, rude people, rude people with traumatic injuries, screaming children and babies. Apparently nurses in particular are also routinely disrespected by higher-ups, put in danger by higher-ups, and don't get paid much. In college I heard insane stories from…

yup. And in every scenario they have to show compassion and empathy even to screaming patients or people trying to argue with them. It's very draining.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

skt5 wrote: post #240
mumblemumble wrote: post #80

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The disgruntled nurses I know don't want more money anywhere near as much as they want things like lunch and bathroom breaks. Money can't buy happiness, but not being able to take care of your basic bodily needs can absolutely buy unhappiness.

> Money can't buy happiness Usually when someone says this to me, I respond with "then you're spending your money poorly". What I mean to say is that more money buys more flexibility and options, which should lead to more opportunities to leave unhappy situations or at least add more happy situations. Note that this is a generalization so there are plenty of edge cases to counter this.

Having money buys flexibility and options. Merely making slightly more money doesn't.

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Post by rangoon626 »

fumar wrote: post #54
rangoon626 wrote: post #44

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Ahh, I see we have one with some critical thinking facilities left! Hurry up HN, downvote this guy!!!! Sadly most don’t want to consider it and just parrot what they’ve been programmed to by the television. The worse part is they think they are righteous or whatever. So delusional.

What about the parent's statement provides critical thinking? Would you invest billions in building out ER facilities now? I am curious what is the less-wrong solution to help citizens. Is to increase care for the sick or decrease the likelihood of sickness?

The less-wrong solution to help citizens is to encourage a healthy diet including weight loss, stop spreading FUD, and to implement the MATH+ protocol for those who do fall seriously ill instead of chiding and coercing a clearly hesitant public into taking an experimental therapeutic treatment (that seems to do less than originally promised as the days tick by) and harsh lockdowns.

Instead we see the opposite, which has little to do with the best interests of the citizens, including the funneling of tax dollars to Pfizer and the rest. The parent comment highlights that and explains what’s actually going on, despite the narrative provided by ”experts.”

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Post by Anthony-G »

kxyvr wrote: post #271

Since most of this community is outside of healthcare, I figure I might as well share some of what this experience has been like for my wife, who's an ICU physician. In short, it's not good. Normal times for her community are always a bit stressful and burnout is real. Prior to COVID, a typical community, non-academic job, consists of 12 hour shifts and and at least 15 shifts a month. Some of those shifts will be wee…

In the 7 years, I’ve been on Hacker News, this is the first post that I’ve wished for the ability to upvote twice.

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Post by hcurtiss »

lamontcg wrote: post #301
iamadog55 wrote: post #208

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Let's dissect this: >I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. So here, the poster asserts that they find it notable, as in worthy of remark, that within the domain of healthcare people are opting out. The poster does not make any conjecture or assertions aside from that, the poster does not lean on any position nor support one from the authority of the "hea…

Oh look a 6 hour old account splitting hairs and playing semantic games. I have real work to do.

But GP is right about what I intended. I don’t mean to question the safety or efficacy of the vaccine. I only mean to suggest it’s a difficult problem to solve when even the health care profession, which I would style as more familiar/comfortable with administration of life saving treatments, seems to be struggling with uptake.

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Post by hcurtiss »

_brnu wrote: post #45
AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...

I find it amusing I’m being downvoted. I’m not questioning the safety or efficacy of the vaccine (I’m vaccinated). I only mean to highlight what a difficult problem this is to solve when even health care workers are struggling with uptake. People, including HN, are truly wrapped around the axle on this issue.
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