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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by arata »

petepete wrote: post #90

I love the colour of the page 'bleeding' into the 'tab area' - providing they can maintain a decent level of contrast. It looks really nice in the provided example. Of course, I hope they've used `<meta name="theme-color"...` instead of the background colour so pages with a white background and a black header don't end up with white chrome.

> providing they can maintain a decent level of contrast

Safari wouldn't apply the theme-color if it makes the UI inaccessible (it has a very few narrow range of color that it won't apply). Also, if the tag is not specified, Safari would not blend the website content into the tab bar.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by noahtallen »

pcr910303 wrote: post #86

I believe this new design is the best Safari design 'in the constraints of the new Big Sur design language'. I'm liking it mostly because the Big Sur's new toolbar is too thick. With the menubar, toolbar, and the tabbar, 106px of my total 800px height display gets to display non-content information, much of which is clutter when I'm trying to focus on the webpage. It's a whopping 13.3%! Most of this comes from the th…

Imo, the new address bar is better because it attached to the current tab. This is how it already works, but the design never reflected that. Previously, the address bar was a global UI element which doesn’t modify the global state. I think this could easily be clearer for new users. (And possibly clearer for technologically challenged existing users.) To me, the big complaints are just reacting to it being different. I don’t think that’s fair.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by enw »

rpastuszak wrote: post #59

Am I the only person who likes this change? Normally, I’d have 4-5 tabs that I keep switching between fairly often and then 20-xx most of the time useless, de facto bookmarks. I use a keyboard shortcut with fuzzy find to pick the right one. Reclaiming the address bar space to cram more tabs on the screen is a marginal gain, at least in my case.

I like it as well. I typically have only a handful of tabs open, for both mental clarity and focus.

There's so much empty space on the address bar, and vertical space is typically expensive real estate.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by defaultname »

tambourine_man wrote: post #308
defaultname wrote: post #42

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Someone's casual opinion about "readability" is not objective. It is the very definition of subjective. I mean, if you've been on HN at all you've seen massive debates about fonts, colors, contrast, and so on, where people have profoundly different opinions about readability. Run a study and then talk. Otherwise it's just subjective observations. Further, we're talking about page theme spreading to the chrome of the…

> Run a study and then talk. It has been running for centuries. It’s called typography. Its rules are not arbitrary and legibility is the most important one. No need for scare quotes around readability. It’s a science. There’s a latitude of contrast ratio between which human eyes can comfortably withstand and discern tones. It varies across individuals, of course, but not as much as you might think. No human sees ult…

That is indeed fascinating, but has positively no bearing on someone's off the cuff perceived opinion about readability.

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Post by leucineleprec0n »

sonofhans wrote: post #203
flohofwoe wrote: post #168

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I'm dead serious. Almost every piece of software (and hardware) in a computer is driven by incremental improvements backed by research. Operating system kernels, file systems, databases, 3D-APIs, etc... there are tons of publications, white papers, discussions, all happening in public how those components are improved over the decades. There are dead ends from time to time, but those fail, and those failures are also…

As a UX designer & executive for 30 years, I’ll respond. I agree that UX/UI is sometimes swayed more by fashion than empirical goals in service of the user. E.g., Jony Ive’s sad obsession with flat (featureless) design in iOS 7 is something we are still paying a price for. However, the majority of UX research these days goes into things that are explicitly not in service of the user. Facebook doesn’t want you to be h…

Ah shit is Ive really to blame for iOS 7? The OS and increasingly MacOS feels so dreary, lacking contrast, etc ever since. Animations also never recovered imo

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Post by leucineleprec0n »

zingplex wrote: post #224
jolux wrote: post #194

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Well you can go use Windows on the high-contrast setting then.

A setting that most electron and web apps will completely ignore.

exactly. just fucking flipping the "contrast, on" switch buried in accessibility is not a panacea, and it is no substitute for a regular high-contrast UI on beeauty grounds alone! God forbid third-party apps even utilizing a native API for it.

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Post by leucineleprec0n »

grishka wrote: post #193
snowwrestler wrote: post #163

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I have the opposite question: why do people let themselves get upset over UI changes? Why don’t people seem to take pride in their ability to adapt to change? Change is inevitable. Even if we stipulate that change sometimes happens for bad reasons, like someone wanting a promotion, it’s not like bad reasons are suddenly going to disappear. People are still going to want promotions a year from now, or 10 years from no…

> why do people let themselves get upset over UI changes? Because a UI is a tool I use to get something done. I don't like when the thing I've been using intuitively gets changed so I have to learn to use it again. It's a tool. It's not an art piece. > Why don’t people seem to take pride in their ability to adapt to change? Because this adaptation doesn't make their lives any better. It's change for the sake of chang…

RE google; I can't remember who here stated otherwise but I believe that promotion policy (unspoken or otherwise) is no longer in effect and the rot has... presumably a different antecedent if we accept the premise anyways

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Post by leucineleprec0n »

tambourine_man wrote: post #32

I’m very concerned about Apple's direction in UX. Big Sur’s dialog boxes, menus, notifications are a mess. And now this Safari comical UI. Every single change has been for the worse. Whoever is in charge of this, please, listen to feedback and change course. This is a disaster.

The utter lack of contrast, horrible font antics, and weird obsession with tiny icons drives me mad

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Post by least »

shinycode wrote: post #302
Bud wrote: post #250

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Things like the tab bar and the reload button are not mere "widgets"; they are the core UI elements. They are the single most important part of the app. This is simply a bad call. I'm all for saving vertical space whenever possible. But this is a bad call.

I CMD+R every time and I guess for the amount of time people reload it’s not costly to learn it …

I use ⌘+R and actually just press R with vimari but if i'm just casually scrolling the web with my mouse sometimes I just want to press the reload button which is now two clicks.
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