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Post by blibble »

_jgdh wrote: post #250
mrbonner wrote: post #235

It is increasingly appears that the CCP government wants to confront every countries at the same time. First, I thought this was just the power struggle/grab between US-CCP economically. Then, it spread to the political issues like the South China sea claims which pisses off Viet Nam, The Philippines , Taiwan. The CCP even manages to engage India into its territorial issue resulted in sanction from Indian gov. In the…

> it needs to find allies No shortage of Chinese allies - 70+ countries supported China's recent change to Hong Kong's laws ( https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193422.shtml ). Certainly none of these countries are bastions of freedom - North Korea, Venezuela, Chad, Myanmar, Cambodia, Kyrgyzstan. But all of them support China to the hilt. Tanzania didn't even stop with an endorsement of the HK law, they also felt it…

> That's why China can screw over every neighbour, taking what they please. Who's going to stop them? Is Vietnam or Malaysia suddenly going to stand up to China? No, they will merely grumble.

ah yes, exactly the same logic that resulted in World War 2

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Post by coliveira »

justwalt wrote: post #292
coliveira wrote: post #284

We will end up like cavemen if we start to banish every new technology coming from China based on racism. China will not stop developing new technology just because the US doesn't like it.

I don’t think people dislike Chinese tech because it’s made by Chinese people, but rather because the Chinese government is assumed to have some hand in it. Best faith interpretation and all that, right?

Technology has no political badges or flags. First of all, scientists and engineers are not political actors. Moreover, I have all the right to use a technology if I want it, even if it was developed in a totalitarian regime. For the US to prevent me from using this technology is infringing on my freedoms.

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Post by dang »

GuiA wrote: post #285
dang wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

Attempts to build constructive conversations in these threads are almost always met with heavy flagging/downvoting. My own personal experience is that any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes. Sometimes it goes back to 0/1 over the following hours, sometimes not. I’ve been on HN almost 10 years and that’s almost always been true, but it’s gotten much worse in recent…

> any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes

This is so bizarrely remote from accurate that I don't know what else to tell you. As far as I can tell, the only explanation for this sort of wild misassessment is that people's perceptions are extremely affected by their passions. The more passionate our beliefs, the more we simply can't see the datapoints that don't fit the filter.

That also explains why these claims are getting more common these days: passions are rising.

When your comments are breaking the site guidelines, you need look no further for why they might be downvoted. I seem to recall that you've done that a lot.

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Post by chrischen »

HideousKojima wrote: post #175
free_rms wrote: post #150

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I think you're understating the human rights impact of going from third world to first world living standards. You like having your teeth?

No, I'm saying that similar countries were able to lift their populations out of poverty without creating concentration camps for millions of political dissidents and religious minorities in the process. China's economic success isn't tied to its authoritarian regime, and it's actually pretty easy to argue that they would have lifted even more of their population out of poverty even faster if they hadn't had harebrai…

I lifted myself out of poverty. You canmt exactly compare myself (population of 1) with the efforts to move a country of over 1 billion people out of poverty. It's not as if I have somehow figured this out and can scale this up to 1 billion people.

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Post by chrischen »

einpoklum wrote: post #260
Karunamon wrote: post #68

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Yes, nobody's hands are clean here. There is, however, a pretty big gulf between the stuff the US has done and engaging in ethnic cleansing and running concentration camps as a matter of policy. The difference is massive, and well known. Please don't try to falsely equate the two.

> There is, however, a pretty big gulf between the stuff the US has done and engaging in ethnic cleansing and running concentration camps as a matter of policy. A big gulf. Hmm. A big gulf. Umm, maybe you mean the Gulf of Aden? That's kind of big, and it's right near where the US participating and supporting the ethnic-cleansing-level siege and bombardment of Yemen by Saudi Arabia. Remember most states of the US were…

Well the dominant class in America is white western European. So effectively race-based superiority which is why we have the BLM movement right now.

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Post by GuiA »

dang wrote: post #313
GuiA wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attempts to build constructive conversations in these threads are almost always met with heavy flagging/downvoting. My own personal experience is that any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes. Sometimes it goes back to 0/1 over the following hours, sometimes not. I’ve been on HN almost 10 years and that’s almost always been true, but it’s gotten much worse in recent…

> any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes This is so bizarrely remote from accurate that I don't know what else to tell you. As far as I can tell, the only explanation for this sort of wild misassessment is that people's perceptions are extremely affected by their passions. The more passionate our beliefs, the more we simply can't see the datapoints that don't fit…

Ah yes dang. Users who are otherwise constructive members of the site break the rules only on CCP related threads. Not only that, but their rule breaking is only penalized in the minutes after which they post, only to slowly return to the mean over time.

Keep telling yourself that.

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Post by chrischen »

mlindner wrote: post #274
yifanlu wrote: post #223

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Jeez as a Chinese person who lives in USA I find this comment very condescending and offensive. > But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democracy, and so on. I don’t want to get into a whataboutism debate about all the human rights violations the USA has engaged in (yes Trump but Obama as well and W before him and etc). But real…

It's not sinophobia. I've got _zero_ issue with Chinese Americans as long as their English is good enough that their primary news sources still don't still sit in China (for example second generation or greater Chinese Americans). It's the legitimate concern about China pushing remote spying into its software and hardware that is sold overseas as well as the manipulation of people through companies like TikTok aka By…

There’s no way defend against your accusations. It essentially boils down to “you’ve been brainwashed.” You’ve already decided your viewpoint is right and anything against it has read too much Chinese language news (whether true or not).

The “manipulation” you speak of is more hypothetical. If anything Facebook has done more manipulative harm thus far.

One way to think about this is what exactly would TikTok have to do to satisfy your accusations of them “manipulating” people? How does Huawei stop spying on Americans? If there is no answer then you can see not only how it is pointless to argue, but that your primary motivation is actually to prevent the shift of power, rather than based on any actual infractions by Huawei or TikTok. So should the Chinese just sit out of global economics because they could threaten US dominance and potentially spy on or manipulate US people? The current dialogue is centers on future power, not on any actual abuse of power by these companies. Not like the US actually spying on Angela Merkel.

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Post by DenisM »

dicomdan wrote: post #286
dang wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

Can you present evidence of moderation not having a one sided bias? Every time I see anything critical of the US / Europe / Canada and other liberal democracies it's sitting at the top, no matter how unsubstantiated. While every time there's anything that puts CCP in a bad light there's strong moderation because it's "not interesting" (even though this particular event is objectively very noteworthy in tech world and…

> Can you present evidence of moderation not having a one sided bias?

Can you present the evidence of manipulation? The data is in the open.

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Post by [deleted] »

GuiA wrote: post #316
dang wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes This is so bizarrely remote from accurate that I don't know what else to tell you. As far as I can tell, the only explanation for this sort of wild misassessment is that people's perceptions are extremely affected by their passions. The more passionate our beliefs, the more we simply can't see the datapoints that don't fit…

Ah yes dang. Users who are otherwise constructive members of the site break the rules only on CCP related threads. Not only that, but their rule breaking is only penalized in the minutes after which they post, only to slowly return to the mean over time. Keep telling yourself that.

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Post by thekyle »

coliveira wrote: post #312
justwalt wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think people dislike Chinese tech because it’s made by Chinese people, but rather because the Chinese government is assumed to have some hand in it. Best faith interpretation and all that, right?

Technology has no political badges or flags. First of all, scientists and engineers are not political actors. Moreover, I have all the right to use a technology if I want it, even if it was developed in a totalitarian regime. For the US to prevent me from using this technology is infringing on my freedoms.

What freedoms does banning Chinese products infringe? I'm pretty sure that the national government has the right to control international trade in the same way that the state governments have a right to control interstate trade.
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