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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

It sounds like they were asked to invent a way to record passengers

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

Don’t forget safety, were often told it’s to monitor bad guys or people breaking the law. Australia is great at this, see the new “Phone use while driving cameras”, insane.

After nearly 5 decades of declining traffic fatalities, the number has been increasing (at least in NL) for the past 3, with mobile use being one of the main drivers. I don't like surveillance everywhere, but I like people playing with their phones while driving even less, so I personally can't wait for those camera's to be anywhere.

Also, my Tesla is filming constantly while I drive, so that's a much bigger deal.

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I really liked seats arrangement in Helsinki public buses. Not sure how popular are they. But basic idea is that in a paired seat you have one seat shifted a bit to back. Because of that if there are two people sitting they don't rub their shoulders to one another and it feels much more spacious. Only picture that i could find : https://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/59672293951/234937...

Is the asocial behavior documented in the blog typical of Finland?

The blog is called "depressing Finland" which is kind of a Finland meme. It's certainly played up on the Internet but it's got a kernel of truth. I have a couple of very good friends in Finland and I've visited the country and it's a lovely land filled with lovely people. But it's true they can be aloof to other people at first. My Finnish friend joked that Finnish people don't care about others until you get drunk with them, then you have a lifelong friend. That's actually true to an extent.

Finns can be very introverted, which leaves some more outgoing people with the feeling that Finns are anti- (or a-) social and depressed. That's not the case. The Finnish culture just values introversion, privacy, and polite public behavior. This contrasts sharply with the European meme of the loud, outgoing, and rude American, and the two cultures see each other in extremes and play up the differences for humor on the Internet.

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Don’t forget safety, were often told it’s to monitor bad guys or people breaking the law. Australia is great at this, see the new “Phone use while driving cameras”, insane.

After nearly 5 decades of declining traffic fatalities, the number has been increasing (at least in NL) for the past 3, with mobile use being one of the main drivers. I don't like surveillance everywhere, but I like people playing with their phones while driving even less, so I personally can't wait for those camera's to be anywhere. Also, my Tesla is filming constantly while I drive, so that's a much bigger deal.

See? There's always that one person scared of any kind of freedom.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Looks like a fundamentally acceptable design change, which will probably be white-anted out of deployment on cost, or fashion grounds. I think seating in airlines demands regulation. I don't think we will see change here without it, because unlike Premium Economy and Business, where pricing differentiation justifies the spend (the increase in revenue outweighs the engineering costs significantly: Aircraft would be vi…

I dont see the point of regulation. Do you want to force everyone to pay higher plane tickets, so some people get more comfort?

Some people prefer to pay less and survive in economy class.

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That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.

My 767 is newly refitted with the Polaris business class - it can't be that much of a weird relic! Your example is the old pre-Polaris business class.

Nice breakdown of the UA fleet here: https://www.planespotters.net/airline/United-Airlines

Looks like 767s are ~28% of their current fleet's widebodies.

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Two years ago they would have been finding a way to add blockchain.

I still receive decks with great regularity that drag the blockchain in by the hairs. Extremely boring and a very quick way to end up in the round archive. One of those two days ago. It was so cringeworthy I'd almost post it here but that's sort of rude. This one was a borderline scam with a whole pile of content recycled from other decks and fake education records for the participants. Who ever thought we'd check up…

> This one was a borderline scam with a whole pile of content recycled from other decks and fake education records for the participants.

Fake education records... that's over the borderline for me, and definitely falls into scam territory.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...

That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.

I was on a 767 from Philadelphia to Zurich about two months ago with American Airlines. But man it was an awful experience. Overnight flight with shared TVs playing an action movie with lots of flashing lights and explosions combined with outdated seats and no individual climate controls meant I landed in Zurich at 8am having gotten no sleep the whole flight.

At least Delta provides masks on their red-eye flights.

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Yeah I know... I have impractical ideas about air travel. My other idea was to take the second level of a 747 and convert it to a gym. Instead of seats you’d have treadmills and at the far end would be showers. Anyone could “book” time in the gym for a fee. Imagine being able to go for a run on a 18 hour transpacific flight? Of course all this gets mooted by the starship... once we can get la to Singapore in 20 minut…

I don't get why you're downvoted. I think it's a creative idea. But I don't think it will fly (pun intended). Real estate (as in space) on a plane is probably the most expensive in the world. While airlines reserve space for (for example) a bar in business class (and to the best of my knowledge only in the A380) a gym would use too much space. There's also the issue with turbulence to consider, which would make a gym…

Real estate and weight are the two most expensive things on planes, and two things gyms use extensively.
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