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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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>Bullshit, see Donald Sterling. Yeah, blatant racism, including against some of the biggest stars in the NBA's history, is definitely the same thing here. That's not regulating political discourse - that's not allowing a racist to be in a position of power over the very people he is prejudiced against.

You're headed off into the weeds a little. The point was that the NBA does regulate what the players, owners and employees say.

>You're headed off into the weeds a little. The point was that the NBA does regulate what the players, owners and employees say.

No - I'm being realistic. Silver's point is quite obviously they do not want to step in on political disputes and things of that nature.

If anyone was taking him as saying that they wouldn't do anything if they found out an owner was spewing racist rhetoric, they're being obtuse. To take it to the point of absurdity - would you expect an owner sharing Sterling's views to be able to go around on TV repeatedly saying the N word and then use that quote from Silver as a defense and reason as to why they shouldn't be banned from the league?

The issue with that sort of behavior, and Sterling's, is that it shows he is unfit to work in a sport where roughly 75% of the players are black. How can you fairly run a team full of black players if you are plainly prejudiced against them? How can you participate in the owner's meetings where so much policy is set? It wasn't just about what he said - it was also about how it effected the professional players on his team and in the league, as well as what it could mean in the future.

Comparing Sterling's actions with someone speaking about the Hong Kong protests is horribly obtuse.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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> So, what is the point of fighting the good fight at this point? Why not face the inevitable and leave while you can? Or fight for a final independence now, while you can? Because there's still 28 years to go, and a lot can happen in 28 years.

Thanks for hitting the heart of the matter. A lot can happen in that time. Given the direction of things, do you think it will be better? I guess I don't. When HK is supposed to hand itself over to China's rule in 2047, do you think there will be ANY international support for their independence? I don't. That would be directly against the deal that was struck. Wouldn't it be better to use China's interference as a pr…

> When HK is supposed to hand itself over to China's rule in 2047

In 1982, pretty much everyone assumed the Soviet Union was still going to be around in 1992, but it wasn't.

Who knows what China will look like in 2047. A lot can happen in 28 years.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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They are taking a stance: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/media/nba-adam-silver/index.h...

My I'm just feeling cynical, but this just sounds to me like an easy way to have it both ways: 1. Placate the US by putting out a public statement saying "We support freedom of speech for our people." 2. Placate China by using a backchannel to ensure that no one in the NBA actually uses this nominal freedom to say something that hurts China's feelings. Actually standing up would require supporting a statement that ha…

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. You seem to have been doing that a lot, and it's not cool here. Please review the site guidelines and note: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21194189 and marked it off-topic.

Its important to be civil, and not point out the fact that the CCP have murdered millions of people. That would definitely be an uncivil flamewar comment.

No, it's important to be kind and thoughtful, avoid calling names, post substantively, and do the other things that site guidelines ask. They aren't hard to understand:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Denunciatory, flamey rhetoric obviously doesn't meet those criteria.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

> They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose.

I don’t understand this. They could lost all their market in China which is not a small number and in return, long-term financially, nothing. It is not like Chinese people can’t live without it. There are more than enough entertainments for Chinese people to enjoy.

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Let's look at some large scale political action in the past: 1. Invade Iraq. 4000+ Americans dead, over 1 million Iraqi died. 2. Bombed Libya, it is now a $democratic_wonderland. I'm not putting Afghanistan here because I think it's justified, but then why are we still there after Bin Laden's dead? How about just minding our own business. If China don't want to watch NBA, then so be it. If you don't want to buy shit…

> How about just minding our own business A foreign country telling Americans what they can and cannot say very much is my business.

I think that's a false equivalence, China has no power telling you what to do and you know it. And any customer would have the power to not buy your product and its their right.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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While I agree that the NBA has stand up and to do the right thing, I'm not sure that "incremental" is the correct description of the league's profits. I read an article very recently (NY Times, maybe?) that laid out the numbers, and the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league It already has basketball leagues. And considering…

>the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. Source? >It already has basketball leagues. I guess it's a good thing I didn't say they don't. Partial quoting to try to make a point where there isn't one isn't very cool. >And considering that China has exported star players to the NBA, it's certainly a possibility. It's exported exactly one star: yao Ming, and one slightly above average player in…

China exported Jeremy Lin? He's a born and raised american...

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

> They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. I don’t understand this. They could lost all their market in China which is not a small number and in return, long-term financially, nothing. It is not like Chinese people can’t live without it. There are more than enough entertainments for Chinese people to enjoy.

Basketball is popular in China. The NBA is the premier league. It doesn't need China. If you want to see the best or play with the best, it will be the NBA. If the CCP (China Communist Party) wants to spoil the entertainment of the citizenry, that's their problem. The NBA can go right back into China whenever the winds change.

On the other hand, if the NBA doesn't stand up to China, a large part of their core audience will find something else to do.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

What do you mean? Adam Silver wrote a statement supporting Morey's right to free speech, and then doubled down on it after receiving flak for his free speech support.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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This reminds me of a story a teacher of mine told in a Advertising class, about a retailer that put pressure on a soda maker to lower prices, or they wouldn't give them share of shelf. Well the soda maker didn't agree, so they pulled the inventory out. Weeks later the retailer came back to invite them in at the same rates. Apparently the customers weren't happy that their favorite soda wasn't available, and made sure…

I want to point it out it is not only Chinese government, but also Chinese people, the people were enjoying the NBA, are abandoning it. This actually hurts the feeling of the fans.
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