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Lol do that seems like a strange bet. State sponsor rarely win in those cases
Yet here we are, talking to each other over the state-sponsored internet.
Thanks Al Gore!
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android
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30% of smartphones sold in the EU in 2019Q1 were Huawei. You can bet that no bank or whatever will abandon such a large fraction of the users of their app, but is already calling people to get the Huawei OS version of their app started. Especially given that Huawei OS looks to be a fork of AOSP with the proprietary Google Services replaced with proprietary Huawei services. The developpers will just fork the existing…
People won't buy a phone without Snapchat or Instagram who can't actually implement said support without violating the Huawei ban.
Lots of corporate structure alternatives could offer a way around that. Perhaps a French company would support that, after making a deal for a certain portion of those apps' European revenue?
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#313It only affects the European market for Huawei. But this may be a win for google for short-term. But long term speaking, it is a lose-lose situation.
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30% of smartphones sold in the EU in 2019Q1 were Huawei. You can bet that no bank or whatever will abandon such a large fraction of the users of their app, but is already calling people to get the Huawei OS version of their app started. Especially given that Huawei OS looks to be a fork of AOSP with the proprietary Google Services replaced with proprietary Huawei services. The developpers will just fork the existing…
People won't buy a phone without Snapchat or Instagram who can't actually implement said support without violating the Huawei ban.
Many people won't. Many other people couldn't care less about Snapchat or Instagram. That latter set of people almost certainly still constitute a large enough market to be worth addressing.
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Huawei could make their own Play Services, API-compatible with Google, then all apps would work the same. Maybe that's what they actually do now.
As the article says, Amazon spent _years_ trying this approach and ultimately failed with their phone project. So sure it's possible, but it's not as easy as you perhaps think?
Oh man, the Fire Phone has so many problems as a product. As someone who turned a large Android Google Play app into a Fire Phone compatible one, I think it took me literally a day to swap out the Google Maps implementation with the Amazon Maps one and that was very nearly it. I'm convinced that the hijacking the swipe to go home was the real killer of that thing. I honestly don't know how people actually used that thing because scrolling on any list in any app basically left you with 50:50 odds of heading back to the home page.
I'm not stating that the problem isn't hard, just that the Fire Phone had other issues.
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https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/triada-trojan/11481/
Is this really an issue? Presumably you need some sort of privilege escalation exploit to modify zygote. At that point you could also modify other processes as well. It might make exploitation slightly easier, but it's not really a vulurability.
I never said it is; it's a bad design decision.
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The same choice company allways have when acing government Intervention: they can fight in court. I believe thats why they have lawyers.
They will fight in court and lose. What the US govt is doing is completely legal, no matter where you stand on the morality or sensibleness of these actions.
> What the US govt is doing is completely legal
Maybe.
Trump is doing all this under the authority of national security. That is not a blank check, though, and there is an oversight mechanism that can be employed to determine if the authority is being used appropriately or not.
Unfortunately, that oversight mechanism lies with Congress, and given that the majority party currently in the Senate is taking the stance of "anything Trump does is right", we can't reasonably expect that the mechanism will actually be used in the next couple of years, at least.
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The play store is not the sole way to distribute apps. You can download the .apk files, or get them by mail, or use another play store that has the same apps. The play store is just a repository of some apps.
I believe the Play store is treated 'special' though - F-Droid can't install apps in the same way unless you're rooted and install the priv-app.
I did not root my phone yet, and I install apps with f-droid just fine. The only thing I had to do, if I recall correctly, was enabling third party apps instalation
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Lol do that seems like a strange bet. State sponsor rarely win in those cases
Do not forget that Huawei is ahead with 5G. So with plenty of resources Huawei has shown to be the leader in one area and there is no reason to assume it cannot do that in other areas.
It is very impressive, but software is a very different business.
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> It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. F-Droid developers manage to do it. Sure, they might not publish their apps on the Google-Play Store (some do, actually) but so what? Any Android user can freely download these entirely open apps and install them on their own, by pre-checking a box in the phone settings. That's still more than y…
I’m a publishing apps on F-Droid myself, so I’m speaking from experience there. Right now I’ve spent months on getting a full clean-room reversed version of Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging system’s client library working, and we’re still nowhere close to that. The final goal being that we can have one, fully GPL app, which can utilize FCM if it’s installed on the phone, either through the proprietary Google Play Se…
> Right now I’ve spent months on getting a full clean-room reversed version of Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging system’s client library working
Thank you for that! I'm very sceptical of Googles "soft lock-in" and will switch to MicroG Lineage sooner or later. So every inch helps.