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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by voltagex_ »

flukus wrote: post #241
pavs wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only things were so simple. This reminds me how not too long ago, how everyone was trying to make a clone of HN and Reddit within 24 hours in x programming language. It's one thing make a service for few 100 users, it's a different beast to serve millions of users. In case of Online Videos, it is not only extremely difficult, it still remains very expensive. There is literally a handful of companies who can financ…

> There is literally a handful of companies who can financially and technically pull it off at youtube-scale. Only a few companies that can do it centrally. Peer to Peer technology was doing it before youtube existed.

That's great if your upload speed is unmetered and you're watching popular content.

I can give you a list of torrents that are dead and never coming back. Other than takedowns, there's some very old YouTube videos still around.

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Post by Already__Taken »

etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

The minute I can't just find everything on youtube though their entire model begins to go down the toilet. What's that going to cost them.

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Post by janvidar »

etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

If this is the case, they must be transparent about this and basically be able to tell it like it is.

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Post by analognoise »

sitkack wrote: post #235
cvwright wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act. From Wikipedia: > "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent…

Don't forget that Google owns the backbone that Youtube videos transit on for free. By leasing that dark fiber, they get peering agreements that effectively makes their ability to send bytes to the internet free. No one else has that ability.

Yes they do; you could buy it yourself if you wanted to. Nobody else having the scale or cash & willingness to do so is not the same thing as being unable to.

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Post by tyfon »

pleasecalllater wrote: post #16

And the next thing would be... let's think... block all gmail accounts for people who use adblock?

There is a paid option if you use adblock in google apps for business.

I find the service is actually quite good, but I'm currently investigating moving to protonmail instead.

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Post by Endy »

twelvechairs wrote: post #295
Endy wrote: post #270

Am I the only one who thinks it would be better if Blender uploaded directly to archive.org or archive.is? As much as it's interesting on a technical level, the fact that PeerTube is by nature decentralized and self-hosted is going to reduce Blender's overall visibility (which is what I think Alphabet/Google wants). Whether Alphabet is still making any money off SketchUp, or whether one of the 3D companies is paying…

SketchUp is no longer Google/Alphabet owned. It was sold to Trimble (a GPS/Geospatial company)

Unfortunately, I have neither the resources nor the energy to do a real deep dive into Trimble and their relationship with Alphabet. Even if they don't own that particular piece of software, what evidence is there that it's not bringing Alphabet money?

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Post by pacificmint »

etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

Or doesn't at least C) clearly explain what the policy is. You want to require ads on channels over x views, make that your policy.

But these guys have priority support, and still go around for months with youtube without getting any answers, only to then have their whole channel killed without comment.

Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

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Post by imhoguy »

voltagex_ wrote: post #310
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

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Blender serves as an optimal test case for other large non-profits with online video content that Google may push off YouTube (would love to see PyCon move their archives off as well). Discovery and subscriptions will need to be solved, but that’s not insurmountable (ie RSS). CDNs can be plug and play in front of nginx (if P2P torrent isn't your cup of tea), backend storage can be whatever is cheapest.

I really want a competitor to YouTube. But when it works, the experience as a user is Really Good (tm). 1. YouTube Red so I don't have to see ads 2. Queuing and casting from my phone to my TV. 3. Fast loading and buffer-free streaming (as long as your bandwidth is good enough). Note I'm in Australia - Mixer and Twitch often aren't smooth for me even though I'm on 100 megabit fibre. Sydney or Melbourne PoPs will beat…

Ideally it should be based on some open protocol like IPFS or Dat. I would be more than willing to become part of swarm with my % of colo transfer.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by arendtio »

codelord wrote: post #281
Endy wrote: post #270

Am I the only one who thinks it would be better if Blender uploaded directly to archive.org or archive.is? As much as it's interesting on a technical level, the fact that PeerTube is by nature decentralized and self-hosted is going to reduce Blender's overall visibility (which is what I think Alphabet/Google wants). Whether Alphabet is still making any money off SketchUp, or whether one of the 3D companies is paying…

What is terrifying about this? Why should Google pay for hosting and distributing your video online forever without making any money? How's that "evil"?

The evil part is that they are unclear about their conditions for the hosting. If all that would be part of their official 'Terms and Conditions' nobody would complain.

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Post by krychu »

cwyers wrote: post #219
cvwright wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you're right, this particular behavior doesn't help to preserve their monopoly. It's evidence that they already have one. Companies who have to survive in a competitive marketplace don't typically go around driving away customers en masse. This is like something from 1990's Microsoft.

In what sense is Blender a customer if they aren't monetizing their videos, though?

If money is the criterion of being a customer then they are one by driving traffic to other monetized videos, via recommended feed, or via follow up searches, that would otherwise not happen.

Anyone having a YT channel will tell that ‘suggested video’ is a dominant traffic source so it’s not an edge case.

In sum, YT was already making money thanks to Blender videos.

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