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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by sctb »

and0 wrote: post #114
bischofs wrote: post #96

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That is a good point, however most of the immigrants in the 1920s were from europe. Now that is not the case, they are mostly from asia and southeast asia. There is an argument that there is enough of a cultural difference for it to affect the country one way or another.

You know, HN usually slaps me on the wrist for insinuating that someone is a white nationalist, which is why I was pretty low key about it, so.. thanks for just coming out and admitting it, I guess?

Could you please stop the information-free provocation and just comment civilly and substantively, like we've asked many times before? We'd like not to ban the account, but that's what happens when this doesn't change.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by majormajor »

anigbrowl wrote: post #216
majormajor wrote: post #51

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Generally churn factors. Stuff like importing young talent opening up further exposure to that talent moving on but also atrophying your in-country educational structures and investment. Kinda the societal version of "publish or perish" - always chasing just short-term dollars, without regard to long-term planning. If you want to import people to do the good jobs, but also want to ship the cheap jobs away, what happe…

We can retrain and redistribute resources to them, but for some reason the people who are most concerned about short term profits are the least willing to share them with others. You might like to ruminate on teh fact that while Trump demonizes immigrants out of one side of his mouth, the resort he owns at Mar-A-Lago- was able to get 70 H1-B visas to hire hotel staff, despite the availability of some 5000 such people…

Right, it's a partisan point but it shouldn't be. I know perfectly well Trump is often full of shit and do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do. But unpartisanifying the discussion of pros/cons of immigration vs outsourcing vs insourcing vs how to help other countries vs what to focus on in our own borders would be beneficial.

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Post by rrhd »

1024core wrote: post #302
rrhd wrote: post #162

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What about professions that just pay lower? If 100k is well above market for a profession it's still not particularly high for a software dev.

But H1Bs are not meant to get _cheap_ labor; they're meant for _impossible to find_ labor.

No, they aren't. They are meant for skilled labour. The bar is a degree.

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Post by UncleMeat »

smsm42 wrote: post #69
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

Many grad students at these premier institutions are international and will be forced to return to their home countries if they cannot secure H1B or similar visas.

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Post by rrhd »

hrehhf wrote: post #271
rrhd wrote: post #186

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Okay, hire 23 year old americans instead of 40 year old americans. Still not seeing why it's wrong.

Isn't that against the law (Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967) ?

To not hire someone because they are overqualified for the junior position I want ot fill?

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Post by majormajor »

pmoriarty wrote: post #101
majormajor wrote: post #38

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What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

"practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous..." A disadvantage or an advantage? It's always seemed to me that people from other countries and cultures contributed very positively to what the US is today.

Nothing is purely good or bad at every level.

One thing that gets somewhat ignored for political reasons is assimilation/integration. Of course there was never a purely smooth, even, perfect melting pot, and there's a large history of enclaves in America, but today there are parties taking that to a prescriptive rule of "don't culturally appropriate" that feels self-defeating (and just dumb, frankly).

There's also room for a discussion of what good qualities to explicitly promote adoption of for shared values, etc.

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Post by majormajor »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #136
majormajor wrote: post #38

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What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

That's not what that means, unless you're using it differently than it sounds. My claim is that the US is not unique, is not a special magical land, but is only as good or as bad as we make it, and no citizen of any country should ignore their own agency in helping shape those paths.

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Post by logfromblammo »

pm90 wrote: post #200
masterrex wrote: post #171

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White males. Laugh, disregard it - but it's true. If you're a poor white male, you don't really get a lot of assistance. I don't get special grants for being white, I don't get a padded SAT score, I don't get preferential treatment - in fact, it's the opposite. Not all white males are born with a silver spoon, and they're certainly not all given an 'equal opportunity' when a "diverse" person of lesser intellect can g…

> Frankly, over time the average white American family is going to find it more and more difficult to afford higher education, as if by design, to push them out of the middle class. Meanwhile, poor non-whites will be granted scholarships based on non-whiteness. No they wont. White females are still eligible for many of the same (gender based) diversity advantages. The majority of college students in the US are female…

I feel like you're getting something backwards there.

Most of the wealth is controlled by white families. This does not imply that all white families control wealth. Those white families that do control the wealth aren't exactly sharing it around with all their 8th cousins. They sure do share it with their direct descendants, and pass on advantages that way, but if any non-rich white person is advantaged, it is likely only because the rich white people are observably racist when delegating their authority and managing their assets. Imagine for a moment someone so racist that their toilets may only be cleaned by a white person, and realize that people like that do exist. So yes, I guess that white loo-scrubber is advantaged, by not having to compete quite as much, in a very minor way.

There are plenty of white families out there who know that no-one is on their side, who believe that the illusion of equality is being pursued by cutting them down rather than raising everyone else up. And they believe that immigration is diluting their family's voice, rather than augmenting it. And many of them are "checking out". They turn to a bullet or a syringe, or blindly follow any person that tells the lies they most want to hear.

The rich and powerful are free at any time to erase the echo of privilege enjoyed by middle class white people simply by not hiring them preferentially over darker people. Which is what is happening. And while that is happening, the reactive measures to prior institutionalized racism remain in place. The problem is not with affirmative action or feminism or egalitarian movements, but that the old money is far too powerful politically, and that the rich kids are not as disgustingly racist as their parents. So there will likely be a generation at some point where middle class white families have zero advantages, non-white families will have some preferences stemming from ongoing racial equality movements from the 1960s to the present, and the data that show they are no longer needed have not yet been collected and published.

And that generation is going to have a lot of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in it, because people will still be telling them about white privilege when they remember growing up in a manufactured home, eating cold Spaghetti-Os and Spam, watching other people get things that they were never offered. I don't quite know if it is already here, or if it is still coming and will be even worse than what we have already seen. But I do know that part of the problem is attributing the source of privilege to any color other than green.

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Post by smsm42 »

smsm42 wrote: post #300
screye wrote: post #284

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Wait ! Private schools in the US cost $30k a year ?! I am assuming you are talking about K12 education. That is pretty absurd.

Public schools also cost about $20k/year/pupil (I wrote $30 before but looks like I was mistaken). But this is paid from general budget so nobody cares too much, because tax money obviously aren't real money.

Cato claims these figures are grossly under-estimated though [1] and the real costs may be twice as much.

[1] https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/they-spend...

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Post by Oxitendwe »

ashleyn wrote: post #222
gozur88 wrote: post #103

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>A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country... Why did you put scare quotes around "their own"? Is it not their own country? Culture changes over time no matter what you do, but is it completely unreasonable to want your culture to change slowly enough that you can still function in your dotage?

The point of constitutional liberty is that culture can change as much as you want but you'll always be free to retreat to your enclave where it never will. A great deal of anger seems to be conservatives wanting to engineer the outcome rather than allowing culture to become more inclusive to people not like them e.g. more companies voluntarily saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. This voluntary push to…

>The point of constitutional liberty is that culture can change as much as you want but you'll always be free to retreat to your enclave where it never will.

This is absolutely incorrect, Americans do not have freedom of association, so people of other cultures can always live with you, work with you, buy from you, etc - by law. Whether you think that's a good thing or not, that is a fact: you can't have an enclave in any meaningful sense.

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