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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by handedness »

vacri wrote: post #184
macintux wrote: post #142

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Not sure where you got that information, but it contradicts everything I've ever heard. Cuba's been for a long time the only country the US won't allow its citizens to visit (head, meet desk); North Korea is, so far as I know, the only country that actively prevents US citizens from visiting, although that may be a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground. Anyway, http://uncorneredmarket.com/american-travel-iran/…

US tourists visit North Korea; Vice magazine did an interesting doco on their experience. Tourists are chaperoned and experience cartoonish levels of propaganda, but they're not blocked.

If you actually watch that video, Vice had to bribe a Russian border official to gain entry to the country. It's generally known as the only means of getting in with a reasonably high odds of success.

The typical experience for Americans who have applied for visas to visit North Korea is a very long wait, with only gaining approval (sometimes after years of applications), only to have the approval revoked sometimes as late as hours before their flights depart. Some people report having had their travel visas revoked three or four times before finally being granted entrance.

"Not blocked" doesn't seem like the right term for whatever that is.

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enraged_camel wrote: post #243
WildUtah wrote: post #210

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I doubt it will affect anyone with a US passport at the border, but it's about time for the USA to adopt the Japanese policy and simply ban all dual citizenship. If you hold a foreign passport or any kind of documents from a foreign country for its citizens, your US citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported.

Why?

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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moinnadeem wrote: post #161

Undergrad at MIT here, thanks for signing! Our community has been fairly troubled by this to say the least, and your outpour of support is incredibly helpful.

This is an easy position for you to take, since you have already gained admission to MIT and you know these people.

Consider a US citizen who would like to get admitted to MIT. Trump's action will what, double the chances of getting in? Consider the parents of that kid, already paying taxes that provide for the research grants that MIT lives off of.

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Post by obi1kenobi »

"The federal court for the Eastern District of New York issued an emergency stay halting President Donald Trump’s executive order banning entry to the US from seven majority-Muslim countries tonight, following widespread protests at airports around the country."

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-hal...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by bluejekyll »

nl wrote: post #189
berberous wrote: post #99

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I'm against this order and generally agree with you, but the conflict-of-interest article is BS. The list of countries is the same as was targeted under Obama for extra screening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somali...

This needs more emphasis. These countries were already hard for US citizens to do business in (hence no Trump holidings). I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power. "Corruption" is a distraction. I also think the thing about his tax returns is the same.

While I agree with your point, I disagree with this:

> I don't think Trump cares much about money - he is interested in Power.

It's hard to know what his true interests are. But based on his actions, and his lack of desire for publicly stating his net worth or tax returns, I think he is very interested in maintaining not only his worth but also his companies'.

Trump is the first President in a long time that can directly be influenced by foreign governments through his business and property holdings.

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Post by riazrizvi »

scrollaway wrote: post #149
daxorid wrote: post #79

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Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Three things: 1. It's not what "half of you wanted". It's what a portion of the portion of those that voted in a 55% turnout election wanted. A tiny and vindictive portion, that lost the popular vote. 2. Even if it were what "half of you wanted", it's also what half of you did not want. This is not a kid's game where you count up the points and call the clear winner. If half of your population's will is being disrega…

In the absence of information from that 45% it is not unreasonable to assume the 55% represent their view. Also some Democrats are anti-immigrant. So not such a tiny portion are anti-immigrant. It will be interesting to see what repercussions are from this executive order.

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Post by skissane »

dragonwriter wrote: post #271
skissane wrote: post #95

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If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK instead of President of the US, do you think the Queen would stop him from doing something like this? I'm pretty sure the answer is "No".

> If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK A demogogue without the support of the party establishment can't become PM of the UK.

Which party establishment? What if UKIP were to win a general election? Unlikely to happen, surely-but almost everyone said the same thing about President Trump.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tomjakubowski »

tropo wrote: post #313
moinnadeem wrote: post #161

Undergrad at MIT here, thanks for signing! Our community has been fairly troubled by this to say the least, and your outpour of support is incredibly helpful.

This is an easy position for you to take, since you have already gained admission to MIT and you know these people. Consider a US citizen who would like to get admitted to MIT. Trump's action will what, double the chances of getting in? Consider the parents of that kid, already paying taxes that provide for the research grants that MIT lives off of.

Double their chances? I seriously doubt that many MIT students are from Trump's list of countries, or that the "chilling effect" on other foreign applicants will be that great.

This policy is still an injustice, of course. And maybe I'm wrong about the chilling effect; we'll find out, unless the courts step in and thoroughly block or cripple this short-sighted executive order.

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Post by jacobush »

jeron wrote: post #66
freddyc wrote: post #28

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And share with others. This is only one poor guy, but there's plenty more like him out there who have done everything right and jumped through the USCIS hoops to get here legally with the goal of improving their (and potentially their family's) life. This is beyond wrong and now is not the time to sit on our hands. EDIT: Link looks like it is currently broken for me too.

link is working for me but it only shows 1 person has signed it so far, which I think is just a software error

You know, it turns out only ONE, just ONE signed the petition. It was probably Hillary. You know, I going to create my own petition and it's going to be GREAT. It's going to be the best petition.
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