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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by kayoone »

jarjoura wrote: post #253
mhomde wrote: post #71

I can't but feel sad that Microsoft somehow is dropping the ball on mobile despite them having been, briefly, in a prime position to succeed. They've executed well with their "One platform"-strategy. UWP is great and with the new composition API their finally moving into being able to compete in the modern software arena. Meanwhile on the hardware side Panos is basically doing what Apple should have been doing if the…

UWP is mostly a validation that Microsoft employs brilliant engineers. They took all the knowledge of their platforms over the years and condensed it into a unified story. For that, UWP works. However, the same problem that plagues the Mac App Store, UWP code is sandboxed in weird ways that make it hard to just recompile your existing IP into the new environment. Plus Microsoft developer relations pushed C# as the de…

> Microsoft developer relations pushed C# as the defacto way to write apps targeting the platform, something that doesn't scale when you also need to support Android and iOS.

Actually, our company has an Android and iOS App written in C# with a 80-90% shared Codebase using Xamarin. It has been pretty awesome so far.

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Post by yoodenvranx »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #234

That looks pretty awesome, and it makes the iMac seem even more tired which I assume was intended. It is startling to have a story about IBM extolling the virtues of Macbooks for business and Microsoft launching a platform targeting designers, it really is amazing. But setting all of that aside for a moment.... The screen. Clearly that is the thing which makes this announcement. For me, the 3:2 aspect ratio is so mor…

> For me, the 3:2 aspect ratio is so more reasonable for computers than 16:9

I love the 1400*1050 screen on my old T61 and I wish there would be still notebooks with this aspect ratio.

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Post by revelation »

protomyth wrote: post #48

The video at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-stud... is a bit more informative and shows the Surface Dial in action. I looks like the graphics from an old Blackberry this is the future video[1]. Very cool, since Microsoft's version makes sense and Blackberry's was confusing. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KLm4SErdQ

That dial is bizarre. I have two hands, why would I replace one amazing hand with a heavy, large screen obscuring piece of machined aluminum to do something that my hand could already do?

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Post by bluedino »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #221
mozumder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted t…

> the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing In theory. To anyone who feels that way, please try it out for yourself before making a leap. I thought it would let me develop Ruby on Rails under Windows like I could do on Linux or macOS. I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this. After a couple of months of commenting on bug reports and watching and trying, I gave up. I'll check…

>> I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this.

I'd be very interested in a blog post about your problems and I don't think I'm alone.

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Post by CountSessine »

digi_owl wrote: post #284
pjmlp wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People that want a computer with a real OS instead of a browser window juggler. I keep seeing references how the low end is using Chromebooks, but that seems to be an US phenomenon. Here in Europe on the area where I live, I only ever seen Chromebooks on sale on a specific chain, and they are seldom there. When they are, they always follow the pattern of being on sale with the usual Google price, people play with it,…

I wonder if the Chromebook issue in Europe is about trusting a foreign company with holding your data.

I know that this is definitely the case in Canada. In the US, I've been told that Chromebooks are everywhere in schools. From working with my local school board here (I'm in Canada), no one thinks deploying Chromebooks or using Google services in general is legally viable because we would be putting student data on US servers where it wouldn't be protected by Canadian privacy laws.

We don't use Chromebooks, but we don't end up using win10 netbooks either - it ends up being a combination of ipads and windows desktop PCs in classrooms.

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Post by iamphilrae »

bkolobara wrote: post #243
gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

This! Why design this amazing display and put such an awful GPU inside? The GTX1000 series performs way better (especially GPGPU professional apps), is more power efficient and has only a minor price difference. At this price it is a deal breaker for me. And I'm like exactly their target audience for this.

That's next year's upgrade. This year it's the feature screen, next year it's the performance boost. Keep that marketing department ticking over.

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Post by lifeformed »

atourgates wrote: post #307
gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

The value proposition is the responsive touch-screen. The closest responsive touch screen you can buy today is a 27" Wacom Cintiq, which is $2,299 without a computer, and both lower-resolution (2560x1440 vs 4500x3000) and smaller (27" vs 28") than the Surface Studio. So if you assume that about $2,300 of the device's costs go to the display and touch screen, you're paying ~$700 for the actual machine driving that dis…

I wish the Surface Pro was just the screen hardware that you can plug into a proper desktop.

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Post by CountSessine »

pjmlp wrote: post #233
CountSessine wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what's the use case for cheap win10 netbooks nowadays? When I think of something that has a web browser and a keyboard, the low end of the market seems to be the current crop of Chromebooks, and schools seem to agree - they've been phenomenally popular in education. Typical Win10 netbooks don't have a lot of CPU+GPU grunt, so it doesn't seem to me (maybe you'll correct me) like they'd be very good f…

People that want a computer with a real OS instead of a browser window juggler. I keep seeing references how the low end is using Chromebooks, but that seems to be an US phenomenon. Here in Europe on the area where I live, I only ever seen Chromebooks on sale on a specific chain, and they are seldom there. When they are, they always follow the pattern of being on sale with the usual Google price, people play with it,…

The market is the one of anyone that wants to use a tablet with keyboard, with a desktop experience when they need to.

I guess that makes sense, although I think we have a very different idea of what a "desktop experience" is.

Basically anyone that a few years ago would buy a netbook.

The conventional narrative is that tablets killed the eeepc/netbook. I didn't even know that this market still existed - I knew about Surface, but those start around the $900 mark.

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Post by artursapek »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #159
artursapek wrote: post #19

The hardware quality gap between Windows machines and Macs is closing quickly thanks to Microsoft's investments lately

Quality? No, this is the one place where Microsoft still falls down. There were a ton of problems with the Surface Book and SP4 (judging from internal Yammer discussions when I was there). Innovation? Yes! Now if Microsoft could just execute better, I wouldn't be so afraid of buying this (because I really want it!).

True, they still have problems. I was close to buying a Surface Pro this winter, but all of the people complaining about battery issues on reddit deterred me.

That's why I said "closing". These machines look like they had much more effort put into their design than what people think of when they think "Windows laptop" (a cheap, glossy, plastic piece of crap).

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