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Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Quick question: have you thought about porting this to sandstorm.io? Having a one-click "app-like" install would help out many less-technical church folks.

I looked at Sandstorm, but it seems it's in "closed alpha" - how do you recommend I use it?

Only our hosting service is in closed alpha. The source code is all open (https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm) and there's an easy installer script (though it requires a Linux machine), so you can start hacking any time. :)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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post #259

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Our church also uses The City and I'd say it's fine but not great. There's a lot of room for another startup in this space - I've considered it more than once. The problem for me, on a personal level, is that it's very hard to mix business and the church. On the one hand, the technology used in the church generally lags far behind what is available and there are real benefits to the church body by having tailored tec…

Interesting. A complete atheist would be best able to run a church software business dispassionately, but wouldn't grasp the problem domain as well as an adherent of the faith. Perhaps this is a great place for complementary co-founders.

That's not an assumption I'd make, actually (that they wouldn't grasp the problem domain) -- there are plenty of atheists who were born into religious families, but left the religion.

I doubt most of them would be comfortable launching a business that would exclusively support efforts to sustain and spread religion, though; I know I wouldn't.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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post #295

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For the record, I did not downvote. Curious if you had a bad experience in a church, or in general why the negative sentiment.

No, it's ok. I expected to be downvoted but I feel what I posted and believe it to be worth noting among the positive clamor. Yes, I did have bad experiences at church as a kid, I was forced to go, it was not a good place, but more importantly I don't approve of religion in general. I would likewise make a negative remark if a site promoting multi-level marketing, extremist politics, anti-vaccination, or something of…

I'm sorry to hear that. Certainly there are bad churches in the world. But there are many many more churches that are helping meet needs (physical, mental, spiritual) in their communities. I hate that you've only seen negative affects of religion when there is so much good in spirituality and community you didn't see. :-(

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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post #295

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No, it's ok. I expected to be downvoted but I feel what I posted and believe it to be worth noting among the positive clamor. Yes, I did have bad experiences at church as a kid, I was forced to go, it was not a good place, but more importantly I don't approve of religion in general. I would likewise make a negative remark if a site promoting multi-level marketing, extremist politics, anti-vaccination, or something of…

I'm sorry to hear that. Certainly there are bad churches in the world. But there are many many more churches that are helping meet needs (physical, mental, spiritual) in their communities. I hate that you've only seen negative affects of religion when there is so much good in spirituality and community you didn't see. :-(

Religious "good" is really selfish, mitigating the existential fear and providing "guidance" while society absorbs the negative externalities of decreased critical reasoning, departure from reality and increased sectarian tensions and so forth.

So while communally your project is beneficial, locally and globally it decreases the pace of human development as a whole.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Surprised about the community response in this thread that is silencing and claiming inappropriateness of criticism. It is strange to see here the glorification of the technological augmentation/support of a most insidious form of marketing -- religion. And this is for a community that slams marketing and advertising as often as it has an opportunity.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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I'm sorry to hear that. Certainly there are bad churches in the world. But there are many many more churches that are helping meet needs (physical, mental, spiritual) in their communities. I hate that you've only seen negative affects of religion when there is so much good in spirituality and community you didn't see. :-(

Religious "good" is really selfish, mitigating the existential fear and providing "guidance" while society absorbs the negative externalities of decreased critical reasoning, departure from reality and increased sectarian tensions and so forth. So while communally your project is beneficial, locally and globally it decreases the pace of human development as a whole.

Just doing my part! ;-)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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post #180

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What difference would it make? Religious institutions, writers, horse-traders, scuba divers - a market is a market. If you go into any business harboring that level of disrespect for your customers then you're probably going to fail to provide a product they'll be willing to use. Although there is also an argument to be made for domain experience - if you're going to sell a service to religious groups wouldn't you be…

There is actually something to be said for not being personally/emotionally invested in the market you're in, it can help you to see things more objectively. On the other hand, if you're emotionally invested in atheism, in the sense that you actively want to see religion gone (as opposed to just not believing as a personal choice), you're emotionally invested in religion by extension.

I've never heard "emotionally invested in atheism" mean "you actively want to see religion gone". In fact, I find that idea quite disrespectful. That's just as bad as a religious person trying to push their religious ideals onto you.

I know a large number of religious people who would consider themselves "emotionally invested in their religion" but I would never describe any of them as "actively wanting to see all other beliefs gone".

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Why are you not charging money for this? At the very least, you should offer a hosted version of this (borrowing the wordpress.com/wordpress.org model would seem the best plan) so that non-technical churches could click a button and just have it magically spin up a website and start billing their card every month. Seems a bit silly looking in from the outside that you'd spend seven years building something that's cle…

Glory to God! :-) It's just my passion. I really hope someone does build this as a slick hosted service. I don't do well dealing with customers :-)

reminds me of this quote

> Her smile tilted. “Mark, you don’t pay back your parents. You can’t. The debt you owe them gets collected by your children, who hand it down in turn. It’s a sort of entailment. Or if you don’t have children of the body, it’s left as a debt to your common humanity. Or to your God, if you possess or are possessed by one.”

- from "A Civil Campagaign"(The Vorkosigan Saga Series) by Lois Bujold

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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I have to say we are thinking of different definitions of religious.

Then what exactly is your definition of religious? Does it somehow exclude the hundreds of millions of Christians who believe in the rapture (41% of all Americans, 52% of Americans in the South)? If so, then that's some creative gerrymandering and I'd love to see your rationalization and sources! http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return... By the year 2050, 41% of Americans believe that Jesus Chri…

Please don't pursue religious flamewars on HN.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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post #221

Churches suck. (sorry church goers). I won't go into all the reasons why. The reasons are well documented for those wishing to confirm.... or just go to a church of your choice half a dozen times to find out personally. But there are a few thing churches do really well. Social networking it one of them. Facebook is an anemic imposter compared to First Assembly. This app is awesome. There is a lesson for general socie…

Hehehee... Amazing. 15 seconds after the post the first downvote. Not surprising... no, not that. Just amazing. Self delusion is the first self replicating virus I suppose. And manipulation never dies.

The majority of the downvotes you received almost certainly came from atheists, given the demographics of HN. You got downvoted because you wrote an uncivil and unproductive comment of a form the guidelines for "Show HN" explicitly ask you not to write; in other words, you got downvoted for writing like a jerk. Don't do that.
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