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Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by baddox »

DonHopkins wrote: post #265
baddox wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (And we haven't even talked about if you're willing to sell to other denominations yet which, presumably, are using your software as tool to spread an ideology you explicitly believe to be false.) Hopefully that wouldn't be an issue, just like it hopefully isn't an issue for a mechanic from denomination A to work on a bus owned by denomination B or a lineman from denomination A to maintain power lines powering a ca…

Explain that to the lawyers at Hobby Lobby.

Those situations have very little similarity.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by timmorgan »

jqm wrote: post #223
jqm wrote: post #221

Churches suck. (sorry church goers). I won't go into all the reasons why. The reasons are well documented for those wishing to confirm.... or just go to a church of your choice half a dozen times to find out personally. But there are a few thing churches do really well. Social networking it one of them. Facebook is an anemic imposter compared to First Assembly. This app is awesome. There is a lesson for general socie…

Hehehee... Amazing. 15 seconds after the post the first downvote. Not surprising... no, not that. Just amazing. Self delusion is the first self replicating virus I suppose. And manipulation never dies.

For the record, I did not downvote. Curious if you had a bad experience in a church, or in general why the negative sentiment.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by boyaka »

timmorgan wrote: post #231
boyaka wrote: post #218

I'm a complete Rails noob, can anybody help me understand why after installing this my app shows up without any formatting? http://imgur.com/pQ8wOdG I did notice that there was a Warning regarding different versions of libxml used for Nekogiri: $ RAILS_ENV=production rake db:migrate WARNING: Nokogiri was built against LibXML version 2.8.0, but has dynamically loaded 2.7.8

Depends on how you installed it... if you're running on your local computer, then it sounds like you're running in "production" mode without first compiling assets with `rake assets:precompile`. (See http://guides.rubyonrails.org/asset_pipeline.html for some more info.) Or just run it in development mode with `rails server`.

Sorry I didn't mention it, I followed the wiki install which sets up the production environment. Just noticed after seeing your post that there are pretty simple instructions for the development setup, if I just kept looking past the wiki link.

I ran it in development mode first with the only hitch being I needed to re-run the mysql user/table creation with _dev, but once I did that the development started up flawlessly on localhost:3000. I then went back to the apache/production server and suddenly it looks a lot better, but I still have some missing images (FATALs in log for GETing assets still?).

I'm still confused about how to point my rails server to production instead of development, but I'm completely satisfied that it is working perfectly with rails in development mode. Here's a screenshot showing the images missing on my production/apache/passenger setup:

http://i.imgur.com/XVLz7lt.png

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by lotharbot »

DonHopkins wrote: post #272
PakG1 wrote: post #270

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I believe the current pope has gone on record saying that the Christian world pays more attention to sexual issues than is warranted, when compared to other issues that exist in the world. I'm not a Catholic, but am quite impressed with this guy so far.

You're awfully easy to impress, if only by the slight contrast to how absolutely evil, horrible and immoral the previous pope was. Not even the current "liberal hippie pope" is having much success changing the Catholic Church from within, so what makes you think anyone who's not its most powerful leader could ever possibly have any success? Anyone claiming they haven't resigned from the Catholic Church in disgrace be…

I see you're relatively new to Hacker News and may not have had time to fully grasp our culture. While I value the experience of those who remember usenet newsgroups, this is not usenet and we do not appreciate the same sort of posts as might have been popular there.

Having looked over your comment history, I believe you may need to reread the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Take particular note of:

"Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation."

"Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them."

Also note that you have already been asked to stop trolling by one of our moderators, dang, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7644504 .

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by jqm »

timmorgan wrote: post #292
jqm wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hehehee... Amazing. 15 seconds after the post the first downvote. Not surprising... no, not that. Just amazing. Self delusion is the first self replicating virus I suppose. And manipulation never dies.

For the record, I did not downvote. Curious if you had a bad experience in a church, or in general why the negative sentiment.

No, it's ok.

I expected to be downvoted but I feel what I posted and believe it to be worth noting among the positive clamor.

Yes, I did have bad experiences at church as a kid, I was forced to go, it was not a good place, but more importantly I don't approve of religion in general.

I would likewise make a negative remark if a site promoting multi-level marketing, extremist politics, anti-vaccination, or something of this nature was on the front page of hacker news. I simply don't think these things are good.

Not to be dismissive of your effort... your application is awesome. I don't claim to know everything nor what everyone should do, but this doesn't change my opinion about churches. Sorry for the negative attitude. But I do have it and it is worth pointing out at minimum *some churches do harm in the world.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by __m »

timmorgan wrote: post #290
pekk wrote: post #287

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> Being specifically church software, it might not find much of an audience here on HN After a huge pile of upvotes and comments, do you still want to believe that HN has some kind of anti-Christian bias?

Oh, I didn't mean at all that HN is anti-Christian. I just didn't think that church software (a very specific niche) was all that interesting to the HN crowd. I'm very pleased with all the support!

If you can make money with it, people at HN will love it.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by alinajaf »

beejiu wrote: post #199
lotharbot wrote: post #195

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My original criticism stands -- what he said was neither civil nor new/insightful. He absolutely should be made to feel that his comment was unwelcome. Your effort is better. It's even ostensibly on topic. Though I think your concern is overblown. In my experience, the vast majority of church "monitoring" in this way is pretty reasonable, in the "hey, haven't seen you in a while, is everything OK? Can we help?" sense…

> Except by cults, who don't need this kind of software to control you anyway. Religion is a cult, at least by the dictionary I am using. I don't really understand the entire religion/church environment, but of the few churches I have visited (I'm not religious) I was never asked to 'check in'; they keep no database of their attendees.

I'm about as militant an antitheist as you're going to meet (even for the UK) and wish we had something like this to organise e.g. BHA Humanist meets/community.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by mst »

timmorgan wrote: post #290
pekk wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being specifically church software, it might not find much of an audience here on HN After a huge pile of upvotes and comments, do you still want to believe that HN has some kind of anti-Christian bias?

Oh, I didn't mean at all that HN is anti-Christian. I just didn't think that church software (a very specific niche) was all that interesting to the HN crowd. I'm very pleased with all the support!

That's how I read it, FWIW.

OTOH, you can look at it this way - 'self hosted social network for X' is the sort of thing the HN crowd seems to enjoy - and you're just a relatively unusual value of X :)

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

DonHopkins wrote: post #289
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #286

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I have to say we are thinking of different definitions of religious.

Then what exactly is your definition of religious? Does it somehow exclude the hundreds of millions of Christians who believe in the rapture (41% of all Americans, 52% of Americans in the South)? If so, then that's some creative gerrymandering and I'd love to see your rationalization and sources! http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/jesus-christs-return... By the year 2050, 41% of Americans believe that Jesus Chri…

I remember media reporting a survey of children which "discovered" that a full 1/4 of children under the age of 12 had been involved with committing armed robbery in the UK.

There were some methodological flaws including asking children in groups what were their experiences of crime.

Turns out kids like to maintain social standing with over kids through exaggeration.

Who knew.

Yes there are morons out there who think God is personally going to save them first as they will be closest to the altar. But most of my problem with religion is not religion - it's lying and power grabbing and manipulation and deceit and murder and social entrapment and the inertia of crowds.

Religion corrals this behaviour but it's humans not religion that does it. If you want to convert others beware of your own motivations. They won't be different to those of religion. Because you aren't different. And that's my point.

Re: Show HN: OneBody Church Directory software I've been hacking on for 7 years

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Post by dorian-graph »

trcollinson wrote: post #271
dorian-graph wrote: post #268

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I'm guessing you're an LDS? I've always wondered if the church will release an API of sorts.. It would be nice to use for apps and who knows what else. A lot of the URLs on lds.org are quite SES/nicely formatted already, e.g. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1973/10/behold-thy-mo... , and if they just added the option to return it in a different data format like JSON that'd be neat. ;)

Unless something has changed in the last 3 years, which knowing the internal systems of the LDS Church it is highly unlikely anything has changed, there will not be a JSON feed for the Book of Mormon anytime soon. They store all of the scriptures in proprietary XML formats inside of a large XML data store called MarkLogic. Although they could transform them into JSON, I just don't see them making that a priority. How…

Fair enough. The Java/XML/.. technologies do seem to be the current favourite for all the projects publicly shown at tech.lds.org.
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