I can't help but think of Howard Aiken's words, "don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats."
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're wrong on the emissions point - even a contemporary, luxury electric car like the Model S causes less CO2 emissions from a well-to-wheels perspective than an effiient gasoline car, even if run exclusively on coal-generated electricity. The crucial part of the calculation is to also take into consideration the energy required to produce the fuel, which is often skipped when analyzing the CO2 emissions of fossil-…
> On the climate change front, you're probably in disagreement with scientific consensus, but this is not my field of expertise. Not just probably in disagreement, definitely in disagreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_c... A lot of us like to believe we're rational actors in the world, but denying scientific consensus on this is very irrational, if not just badly misinformed.
the idea of climate change goes against everything conservatives and libertarians believe in. first, it disproves the randian notion that everyone working in their own self interest is positive. Second, it's a problem that can only be solved by government. When something goes against people's core values so deeply, no amount of proof in the world will change their mind. not believing in global warming is a big part of their identity. not to mention, if they accepted climate change, it'd be pretty hard to continue listening to talk radio or Fox News and watching their favorite commentators blatantly lie about climate change. Because hey, maybe if Sean hannity is wrong about climate change, maybe he's wrong about other stuff too.
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough. I'm emotional. I don't usually cuss when making logical points. What I meant to say is, electric battery technology will move humanity in the right step which I strongly believe will have a big impact on curbing climate change, which I feel is one of the biggest challenges humans collectively face.
Not just battery technology, but also successfully pushing the electrification of transport against the entire car industry. Even if batteries would suddenly stop improving and remain forever on today's level, switching all cars to Model S equivalents would still have, in my opinion, tremendous impact on both climate change and upcoming fuel crisis.
Big science corporations have a lot of money to make off global warming. scientists are behind almost all the studies in global warming. so of course they are biased. not to mention even if it does exist it's only like 1 degree. I doubt my grandchildren will notice a 1 degree difference. i live in the Midwest. there was snow storms all winter. I wouldn't mind it being a little warmer. I don't think god would let that stuff happen anyway. Not to mention, C02 is good for plants, they breathe that stuff!
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. The car companies are all adults. I think this signals, "Let's go down a road where we don't wind up suing each other like the internet companies" This doesn't diminish the impact of what they're doing, but there's a practical side.
You say this like the people working for and running "the internet companies" aren't adults. Being over an age threshold doesn't have any connection to acting as a benevolent member of society, and all companies, including Tesla and Comcast and Apple and Wawa and Chipotle, are in business to make profits.
Not implying that the internet company CEOs aren't. It's just that they're in a game where they have to go heavy on IP and patents.
I'm saying that management of Tesla isn't acting like a naive college kid giving away the store. There is a strategy. And the other auto companies will see it for what it is.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't there a precedent? Volvo opening up the three-point seatbelt patents. Does anyone know the particulars of how that worked? My google-fu is weak, all I can find are articles that sound like PR.
Wikipedia has the details + references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt#Three-point
Not really - neither that page nor its referenced sources talk to the point of how they shared it with other companies, just states that it happened.
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#306So an informal non-aggression pact is nice, but absolutely no automobile manufacturer would rely on that when a new car costs a significant fraction of a billion dollars to bring to market. (If I were a cynical man, I might think this didn't escape their notice.) If it were me, and the true intent was to distribute the Tesla patents as widely as possible, I would have said "Tesla pledges to license its entire patent…
If I were Tesla, I'd also request that the licensing party grant a reciprocal bulk license to Tesla as well. Or, barring that, that Tesla reserves the right to revoke the license if you initiate a patent lawsuit against it.
I don't have any inside information, but I have to believe that this is where they are going with the play. They aren't naive enough to give away the store without anything in return. It's more like, "Let's all share and compete against the carbon-based auto makers" rather than "Here's something you can use against me"
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#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems weird that you would have them publicly published for your enemies to read if that were the sole motivation.
You don't. Patents are selectively published according to national security criteria.
Nice distinction between 'reason' and 'rationale'.
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft et al have done with Rockstar It is my understanding that Rockstar existed prior to Microsoft and others getting involved. They merely footed the bill.
Pretty sure that's what I said. Is that supposed to absolve them?
Well, yes. Before they bought it up, Rockstar was a menace to everybody. Even before Rockstar, Nortel was calling firms up for licenses, and everyone knew what was coming when the patents went on the auction block. By making the winning bid, MS, Apple et al successfully managed to reduce their own liability.
Now, in a fair competition, that should give them an advantage over others who failed to manage their risks. But the way everyone here behaves, people expect them to just let things lie, effectively footing the bill for the rest of the industry. How's that fair?
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#309I am more interested in the mentioning of "the spirit of the open source" part. Just image that if one day we are in a world that full of all those "open source electronic cars", to me it will just be too beautiful to see.
Well, seems as though projects like http://www.osvehicle.com/ and https://localmotors.com/ will be all over this.
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#310Elon Musk is a heartthrob.
looks like anti-Musk zombies at it with the downvotes in the comments