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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by unreal37 »

stoptalkingshit wrote: post #225
enneff wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is going to hurt Horvath more than it hurts GitHub. She's going to receive a torrent of abuse for speaking out like this, whether her version of events is accurate or not.

And yet, she initiated that chain of events. You should think more carefully about what the word "power" means.

Apparently her exit from Github was to be a secret, but an anonymous person publicly posted about it to a social network with a nasty comment. So somebody inside Github leaked it. To the mattresses!

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by rtpg »

chanux wrote: post #226
yeukhon wrote: post #183

There seems to be several problems. Not entirely sexism. 1. Founder's wife asked Horvath out and gave her a lecture about who is the boss. Probably out of jealousy. 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared. 3. Founder did not stop the wife and protect his wife. 4. Horvath was approached by a male co-worker and according to her her rejection had caused tension between her and tha…

I, as a male, try to avoid staring at another female because I fear someone like Horvath accuses me of sexism. This is, sadly, the best thing to do because you don't know who is going to take offense. PS: To avoid looking one-sided and narrow (which I believe I'm not) I really feel bad about this whole situation and the lady who had to go through that. Personally liked a github as a company.

>What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them

Gawking and looking are not the same thing. There are also times where even the most socially incompetent will realise that some girls doing things that might be nice to look at is not an invitation to check them out doing it (this is, of course, excepting people who go the reductionist route of thinking that feminists invent their own problems).

They're not animals at the zoo, they're people.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by baddox »

jd0 wrote: post #184
baddox wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that sounds remotely related to sex or gender is the hula hoop incident, which sounds irrelevant to the main story other than providing a final straw for the woman to leave.

Did you read the whole article? It starts out explaining her struggles as a woman with the company. It also addresses her creepy suitor.

I did read the whole article. You're right, I forgot about the guy who apparently professed love for her then removed her code from production. Although that one isn't particularly related to sex or gender either, other than the fact that the creep was an apparently heterosexual male. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with a pattern of sex or gender related discrimination, and any similar interaction would be inappropriate regardless of the parties involved.

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Post by Cederfjard »

jd0 wrote: post #291
Cederfjard wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The hula hooping moment was important because it visibly demonstrated her male coworkers lack of respect for women as people. They were unabashedly staring at their female coworkers as "eyecandy" in that moment and even defended their doing so. I have never understood how this argument works, obviously I'm missing something. Because I momentarily focus my attention on someone for their physical attributes, I automa…

It's possible to recognize the attractive features of someone while still being conscious of their humanity. Obviously there are degrees of attention you can give someone based on their looks that goes from socially acceptable to socially unacceptable. I'm a man so I can't speak for women directly, but what I've gathered from the experiences of others is that women are interacted with on an attraction basis exponenti…

Thanks, I see your perspective.

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Post by ivanca »

kenster07 wrote: post #172

I'm glad that at least some of the commenters try to wait for both sides of the story before grabbing a pitchfork.

Upvoting by itself is handing pitchforks. It's an article in techcrunch whom only care about heating things up just to get as much page views as possible, and they'll write many more articles about the subject until HN and other social outlets stop upvoting and sharing.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by cdelsolar »

jd0 wrote: post #249
chanux wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, as a male, try to avoid staring at another female because I fear someone like Horvath accuses me of sexism. This is, sadly, the best thing to do because you don't know who is going to take offense. PS: To avoid looking one-sided and narrow (which I believe I'm not) I really feel bad about this whole situation and the lady who had to go through that. Personally liked a github as a company.

And I, as a male, try not to stare at anybody because I'm not a fucking asshole.

really?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by gamed »

zobzu wrote: post #93
eropple wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is super screwed up enough, I think we can do without the random guesses, yeah?

not sure whats wrong with guesses specially if there's a disclaimer saying it's his guess, actually... otherwise, might as well not think of comment at all, since there would be nothing to say. (that goes for many, many other topics)

Don't privilege the hypothesis.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/19m/privileging_the_hypothesis/

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by sbank »

iwasphone wrote: post #19

> Horvath then told her partner, also a GitHub employee... Protip: don't dip your pen in the company ink.

Pro tip: Love is hard to find, so fuck the haters if you find it at the workplace. There is more to life than keeping your job.

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Post by claudius »

MarkTee wrote: post #230
watwut wrote: post #104

The story is confirming my long held prejudice/bias. If a company/organization organizes women only activities, then there is something profoundly wrong in their relationship towards women.

The Passion Projects site says that attendance is usually 50% male/50% female. http://passion-projects.github.com/

‘Talks From Incredible Women In Tech, Every Month’ does not sound like 50/50. That said, even a 50/50 ratio is lopsided given the ratios of graduating students in the relevant fields.
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