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Post by kstop » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:06 PM UTC

ackfoo wrote: post #195

Get out. Forget your business; you can make a new one somewhere else. Any life elsewhere is better than a life in a country filled with morons who believe an obvious lie like Islam and order their lives by it. When you get out, dedicate your life to doing great things by your own rules and eradicating the stupidity of people who believe the crap they are told without evidence. And for all the overly-sensitive Muslim…

Good for you! Now go say the same thing publicly in Malaysia, & let us know how it works out for you.

Re: undefined

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Post by lfuller » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:06 PM UTC

srid68 wrote: post #234

jacquesm wrote: post #138

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I recognize the fact that there are countries with quite a few frustrated people that would like nothing better than to be able to control the rest of their fellow human beings and to tell them how to live and that in such countries one could easily get in trouble with the law for behavior that is perfectly ordinary elsewhere. My way of dealing with that is to refuse to do business with places that are set up like th…

I agree that we live in a very sad world, but your remark is also very sad that you believe forcing other people to your view is also correct same as a religious person. Not to Believe is as religious as someone believing in something, just like not to take a decision is also a decision. Change has to come from within and cannot be forced because we believe it is right or wrong else we create resistance to change, wh…

I take issue with your statement that "not to believe is as religious as someone believing in something".

Being atheist myself, this is inaccurate. I consider the existence or non-existence of a deity to be a non-issue, so it is not that I am actively refuting something that is disputed.

The best way to understand this is to look at the "cosmic teapot" anecdote (or the "flying spaghetti monster" to be more current). It is impossible to disprove that there is a giant teapot floating in orbit near Mars which is impervious to all forms of human detection. Does this mean that you or I are members of an anti-teapot religious group? Of course not - the question of whether or not the teapot exists simply has no relevance for us and is therefore ignored.

Re: undefined

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Post by doktrin » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:10 PM UTC

moubarak wrote: post #103

jacquesm wrote: post #80

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Right, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my…

you had no reason to offend another religion. you take religion lightly. you should be educated on other cultures. it is not smart to see people dying for their religion all around the world, and then go around offending them claiming that it is your digital right. that is extremely apathetic. im against you being jailed, but i am with you being outcast from society until you appreciate other people's cultures. You d…

Based on this comment as well as several others, you appear to be under the impression that jacquesm is the OP. That is not the case, and I'm not sure how you made that mistake.

Re: undefined

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Post by kohanz » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:11 PM UTC

rdouble wrote: post #264

kohanz wrote: post #261

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This is not really a fair comparison. It would be more like posting a picture during the Xmas holidays of doing something sinful/forbidden by Christianity with the baby Jesus. The context of this being during Ramadan is extremely important, as it's the holiest time of the year for Muslims. I'm a former Muslim. I'm not offended by the OP's action, I just think it's a dumb joke that shows a lack of sensibility and resp…

It's more like posting a photo of someone ordering a hamburger instead of a filet o fish during lent. Nobody would care.

That's another perspective, you could really define it in many ways. I went with Christmas because it's the most holy and high-profile time for that religion. Lent doesn't really come close on the average Christian's radar in terms of involvement and public awareness.

Of course, what makes it really difficult to compare is the huge difference in attitudes towards and the role of religion between the cultures.

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Post by checarsner » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:11 PM UTC

Message me. I might be in a position to take it over until you get out. I realize I'm a stranger, but communicate with me and maybe we can figure something out together.

Re: undefined

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Post by polymatter » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:16 PM UTC

moubarak wrote: post #286

polymatter wrote: post #281

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> who said it is a muslim community I interpreted your position as applying muslim community standards in what is not a muslim community. This is a very liberal community in which insulting religions for humorous effect is perfectly ok. > not be refuge for immoral people who insult other people's cultures "there seems a clear correlation between intelligence and willingness to consider shocking ideas". "In any compet…

the OP didn't insult gay people nor females, that's why those are irrelevant.

Indeed. and he didn't insult the inventor of algorithms either. Look, not all jokes involving females are insulting Ada Lovelace. Not all jokes about gay people are insults of Alan Turing. Not all jokes about a specific practice of muslims are insults to Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī.

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Post by VLM » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:18 PM UTC

neurostimulant wrote: post #219

VLM wrote: post #125

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Hmm spend time in a civilized nation's prison or 3rd world prison... doesn't seem hard to decide. (Insert joke about not sure if the .au prison is the civilized one or the 3rd world one ... oh oh look what I just said, now I'm about to be sharing a cell with OP) This goes double for the Norway comparison... whats the worst thing they can do to you in a Norway prison, serve lutefisk for dinner?

On a 3rd world prison, you might be able to bribe the warden to provide you with better room, cellphone, cable tv, internet, air conditioning unit, small kitchen, etc. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&pr...

If bribes are available then spend it on the judge...

A kickstarter to pay off his judge is something I've not seen yet and is an interesting hack on the system.

Or if forbidden by kickstarter, a startup competitor to kickstarter could have bribery as its secret weapon.

Imagine getting every NRA or NOW or Sierra Club or EFF member to donate to pay bribes in the 3rd world to help some cause.

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Post by nightcomer » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:18 PM UTC

To everyone, I urge you to stop commenting on religion. With all the comments I read, says the OP is innocent and it's the religion at fault. You do not have the complete knowledge nor the right to just go on insulting other's religion.

The OP is smart enough to use the language and not show the link to the posting that has landed him into the trouble.

I do have sympathy for OP, but this discussion is going way on a different track. I also advice the HN admins to delete this post.

Re: undefined

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Post by polymatter » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:19 PM UTC

moubarak wrote: post #277

rainforest wrote: post #271

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From the title: > Ask HN: I might be going to prison soon, how to save my one-man SaaS startup? That's what the discussion should be about. Perhaps OP shouldn't have mentioned his "crime", but the fact that it's religious has no bearing on how he handles running a startup from jail.

so you simply filtered the entire description. fair enough.

its simply what the original discussion was about. the specific reason he is being jailed could be 1st degree murder for all the difference it makes. He wasn't asking help to get out of jail.

Re: undefined

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Post by gknoy » Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 5:20 PM UTC

JamisonM wrote: post #260

darkarmani wrote: post #251

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> I have to confess that I did not have much sympathy for your plight Because posting a picture, any picture, to Facebook deserves 8 years in prison.

.. because I understand the context of living in Malaysia, religious and race relations within the country, and the prevailing laws. As I said, I do not think it is just. This guy has to live there, deal with the reality of living there, not just discuss it on HN. I don't know, maybe you do live there and disagree, but for any Malaysians I know this outcome of his actions are completely expected and obvious. Even in…

For what it's worth, it might be better for him since he said, "I may be going to jail ... help me save my business" rather than "... help me escape". It was commenters here that suggested it, and there's no indication that that was his plan or desire.

You're right, of course, that it is unlikely to help him, and perhaps I am insufficiently cynical.