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Post by darkarmani »

JamisonM wrote: post #230

Look, I know this is not what you asked about but I have to say this: For your sake I hope that the prosecution does not stumble across this posting. Given the gravity of your situation your decision to add the gratuitous "my government and the majority mob" to your posting it makes your public apology seem disingenuous. I also hope that before you post anything else on the Internet in any forum that you run in by yo…

> I have to confess that I did not have much sympathy for your plight

Because posting a picture, any picture, to Facebook deserves 8 years in prison.

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Post by mahmud »

moubarak wrote: post #248
mahmud wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.

so you're an ex creepy, overreaching and domineering person with no respect for individual rights? why should we trust you now?

Didn't I make it abundantly clear that it's only in a majority aggregate that Muslims tend to fall under those adjectives?

Minority pockets and individuals are fine. It's majority Muslim states that I have a problem with. And of course, the clerical, thought-police crowd.

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Post by podperson »

moubarak wrote: post #228
3a0e8ff4e557 wrote: post #83

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I have a decent lawyer. It isn't hard to keep alive; heck, I've been running it pretty half-assed for the past almost 2 years. Still, I cannot abandon it totally. Also, I don't think it makes enough revenue to warrant hiring anyone to take care of it, I think. I'd make a loss. And since familiarising with the current code base etc. may require a lot of effort, way more effort than anyone would care to dedicate, unles…

the religion you have offended has great sentimental values to the people who follow that religion. yet you ask people to save your startup because it has great sentimental values to you. what a pity.

Their startup isn't putting someone in prison for posting an "offensive photo".

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Post by mahmud »

alinajaf wrote: post #249
mahmud wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.

That's good to know about Bali, but from what I understand Java is very close to living under Sharia. Having lived in Saudi for a while, I can report that its about as terrifying as you've described there. PS I think the last time I ran into you on HN a beer was offered, then we had a fight about a movie on twitter (I forget what). If your adventures ever bring you to London, that beer offer is still open.

LOL! I don't remember any of this: beer or the movie :-P

Bali is the shit. I love that place. Haven't seen any other part of Indonesia though.

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Post by darkarmani »

coolnow wrote: post #245
mahmud wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.

Way to stereotype.

There should be lots of counter-examples of countries that have a Muslim majority and respect freedom of speech. Just point out one of those many countries to refute him.

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Post by darkarmani »

mnazim wrote: post #167
jeswin wrote: post #149

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It might be this one: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1251401/thumbs/o-ALVIN-AND-VIVIAN-...

Hmm. If he is being prosecuted for teasing fasting Muslims with food, it is just idiotic and with absolutely no legal precedence from authentic Islamic history. (Yes, I am a fasting Muslim too) Problem with "hurting the sentiments" style cases everywhere is that usually there is absolutely no guidelines or legal framework on what constitutes "hurting the sentiments" and it boils down to the men/women judging the case…

> Hmm. If he is being prosecuted for teasing fasting Muslims with food, it is just idiotic and with absolutely no legal precedence from authentic Islamic history. (Yes, I am a fasting Muslim too)

Shouldn't teasing be part of the challenge of fasting? If fasting was easy, why even do it?

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Post by mahmud »

coolnow wrote: post #245
mahmud wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.

Way to stereotype.

I am stereotyping abusive nature of Muslim states in a thread about someone going to jail for speaking in a Muslim state?

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Post by kohanz »

regularguy wrote: post #34

I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-ja... What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. If you are that person, it may difficult to find someone you can trust enough to take over the SaaS startup whilst you are away. Good luck.

Offensive? No. Ill-conceived and not at all funny? Yes.

Grounds for calling someone an idiot/jerk? Sure. Grounds for jail-time? Absolutely not.

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Post by moubarak »

podperson wrote: post #253
moubarak wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the religion you have offended has great sentimental values to the people who follow that religion. yet you ask people to save your startup because it has great sentimental values to you. what a pity.

Their startup isn't putting someone in prison for posting an "offensive photo".

no it isn't. thanks i missed that point.

EDIT: for those who up voted, i was being sarcastic.

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Post by JamisonM »

darkarmani wrote: post #251
JamisonM wrote: post #230

Look, I know this is not what you asked about but I have to say this: For your sake I hope that the prosecution does not stumble across this posting. Given the gravity of your situation your decision to add the gratuitous "my government and the majority mob" to your posting it makes your public apology seem disingenuous. I also hope that before you post anything else on the Internet in any forum that you run in by yo…

> I have to confess that I did not have much sympathy for your plight Because posting a picture, any picture, to Facebook deserves 8 years in prison.

.. because I understand the context of living in Malaysia, religious and race relations within the country, and the prevailing laws. As I said, I do not think it is just. This guy has to live there, deal with the reality of living there, not just discuss it on HN. I don't know, maybe you do live there and disagree, but for any Malaysians I know this outcome of his actions are completely expected and obvious. Even in the Chinese community this he has very little support.

The OP clearly did not do this to be a martyr or stand up for freedom and now he's got himself in a tough spot.

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