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Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Or, the only places to build houses with reasonable costs are in areas that weren’t already built out with very expensive houses. Which will tend to be less desirable areas, by definition. One approach, of course, would be to also make existing houses less expensive/desirable. Notably, wealthy people tend to have the resources to fight efforts to do that.

The other approach is to expand what land is available to build on. I understand that in the UK, farmers consider it a lottery win if they get planning permission for some of their farmland to become housing. Despite what many in the UK think about it "being full", this is mostly an illusion from how cramped are the parts in which the houses are allowed to go; the country as a whole is mostly undeveloped. (There are…

> The other approach is to expand what land is available to build on. I understand that in the UK, farmers consider it a lottery win if they get planning permission for some of their farmland to become housing.

I've seen that mentality in other parts of the world. The thing is that agricultural land is often protected because it is good agricultural land. It is literally the reason why the cities were built where they were built, since that land provided for the cities. Unfortunately, good agricultural land also tends to be easy to build on and we have a tendency to ignore features that may make it a poor decision to build on. (Such as the flood plains you mentioned.)

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Why would they cut corners? Activated carbon isn’t expensive.

You simply cannot put enough activated carbon in a little foam thing that goes in front of a filter to do anything useful. The real activated carbon filters have 10s of pounds of carbon. The little black foam thing that comes with those 2-in-1 carbon filters is useless.

If anyone wants to get serious about VOC filtering, these things have 7 pounds of carbon in them, they’re made for filtering the air of weed grow ops: https://terra-bloom.com/collections/carbon-filters

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Shame you cant remember the source. Ive long since wondered if its actually more deleterious for my health to cycle to work in London due to air quality. I came to the conclusion that youre damned if you do and damned if you dont in the end, as in London at least, many of the tube lines have particulates higher than is considered safe

Add to the mix - indoor gyms are perfect for spreading respiratory viruses.

Which either kill you or make you stronger (marginally!). That is not the case of particles and corrosive gases.

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So you support nuclear power?

Solar can be deployed in months, produce immediately. Solar is dirt cheap and continues to get cheaper. 21 - 25% efficiency is normal now and most likely we'll have tandem (silicon + peroskvite) with 45% efficiency. With each doubling of production, solar costs continue to go down. In a decade or two, maybe we'll be able to print solar like paper or textile, or spray paint on any surface. Or grow solar from microorga…

It currently takes so long to deploy nuclear in the West, because the West mostly dismantled the nuclear supply chains, starting in 1990s. At that time coal and gas power plants were seen as better than nuclear power plants and no expansion of nuclear energy was expected.

For example Germany was still building new coal power plants in 2005-2007.

https://energytransition.org/2016/10/germanys-last-new-coal-...

https://us.boell.org/en/2014/06/06/german-coal-conundrum

Currently, in 2026, Germany is retiring coal power plants and replacing them with gas power plants.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-government-appro...

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Living very close to busy highways is known to generate poor air quality. I recommend anyone in those locations buy an air purifier for their kids' rooms. I bought a couple reasonably priced HEPA purifiers and I change the filters on schedule. Replacement HEPA filters are very cheap. Also watch out for things that we do indoors that can generate bad air quality. I had a friend who bought a VOC meter and noticed very…

HEPA filters are counterproductive in standard air purifiers. Air purifiers pump their cleaned air directly into the dirty air of the room. It doesn't matter if that cleaned air is extremely clean, because it's immediately mixed with dirty air. What actually matters is how much clean air you produce: the "clean air delivery rate" (CADR). The more effective the filter the more it restricts airflow. If a filter is only…

My basic HEPA filter is keeping my (large) house at <= 1 ug/m^3 vs 17 outside for PM2.5

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A few things standout to me from the article. 1. London when the ULEZ was brought in was already a lot less polluted than historically.Are there gains from that? London was not that bad by global standards. 2. This was followed by the benefits of COVID lockdowns (not a phrase often used!) as pollution dropped much further. 3. Is this effect even across London? Suburbs vs centre, different types of housing etc.? I gre…

Particulate pollutant levels decay exponentially and have a substantial drop off with distance. So levels across a large area (like London) are not the whole story.

Yes, I am not claiming they are an alternative explanation by themselves, but an example of changes other than the ULEZ.

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So you support nuclear power?

I support solar. Democratize energy, everyone should have the right to produce and store energy. 1) Plug-in solar and batteries are plug-n-play. This is the first step to teach everyone energy literacy and numeracy. 2) Vertical panels immediately add 3 - 4 hours. Vertical panels have zero real estate cost and no need to build costly and slow transmission infrastructure. Every building in a city can produce energy. 3)…

What source of energy will provide energy at night or bad weather?

I would like to note that batteries at end of life are chemical waste and have to be disposed properly.

"End of life electric vehicle batteries in China to 2060 and related resource management implications"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-026-03555-3

"The EOL batteries contain a wide range of toxic and hazardous materials that can leach into the soil and water, threatening human health and the environment. For example, lithium hexafluorophosphate (LiPF₆), a component in power batteries, hydrolyzes on contact with water to produce highly toxic hydrofluoric acid (HF). Additionally, cobalt, nickel, and organic solvents in the batteries can contaminate water and soil, leading to long-term ecological damage"

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/30072026/china-ev-battery...

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I've needed my inhaler way less since the ULEZ came in. Visiting London used to mean blowing your nose to black snot for a week afterwards, these days living in London it's pretty good.

I've not lived in London for more than a decade. I always thought the black snot was from the Tube. Is it not?

Oh yeah "tube bogeys" are definitely a thing.

Whenever my best mate goes on about having access to "cultural experiences" that I don't have for living in the sticks I remind him it comes at the cost of massive tube bogeys. :P

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Seems electric cars produce the same or sometimes more non combustion particulates than ICE cars, eg. bits of road and tire that are flung into the air while driving. So EVs are better than ICE for air quality, but fewer cars even better.

I think that particle size is important.

Particles caused by tyre and brake wear are going to be much larger than, say, diesel particulates.

That size differences is going to affect how easily they can be absorbed into your lungs.

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This particular brand of confrontational nuclear “advocacy” does not help nuclear. Please consider stopping it.

Stronger: This particular brand of rhetoric ("So you support X?" and little more, in response to a post that was not at all about X) is just a "gotcha" game rather than serious conversation, and doesn't belong on this site. I see it far too often, and not just on nuclear. (Also, it makes the one doing it look like a jerk, at least to me.)

So you support censorship?

Just kidding, I’ve seen it more and more as well, and feel the same as you about it.

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