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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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> The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification In general I agree, but in recent history it works pretty well if the dimension you use is Trump rather than left/right (assuming you are in the US). He is the most polarizing leader I have seen in the US in my lifetime, and knowing whether someone is a supporter is pretty good at predicting the rest of their viewpoints.

I don’t agree with Trump on most things, but my beliefs also definitely don’t agree with most people who hate Trump.

Truly an enlightened centrist approach for the ages.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Some of these positions are not like the others. For example, “planned degrowth” is insanely fringe. No mainstream politician is seriously planning this, or even claiming to. It’s not a live issue.

Allowing minors access to puberty blockers without parental consent is fringe too.

These are both issues amplified by conservatives to discredit liberals.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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> can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four Curious of examples of views falling on all four quadrants (not close to the center) without too much cognitive dissonance.

The problem is the "without too much cognitive dissonance" part. Lots of voters have completely dissonant views that they've never consciously considered in any way. Just by posting on HN, the people here are probably in the top 5% of conscious political awareness in the US.

Let's not get too eager to pat ourselves on the back here. The typical HN denizen is very confident they are an expert in political analysis but they are also convinced they are an expert on renewable resources, plumbing, forestry, and literally ever top they come across. It's a disease frequently caught by software people, for whatever reason. They assume if they can write software they can do anything.

I have seen a huge amount of confidently staggeringly wrong political takes on HN. I'd say on par with any other platform.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The concepts (left/right. authoritarian/libertarian) seem to fluid to help sensemaking. Stances that would have been mainstream left (democrat US) just a few years ago are now labeled MAGA (US) or 'extreme right' (EU). And nobody seems to believe their own side is 'authoritarian', but everyone that disagrees with them is a literal ...

Isn't it more that the Republicans have co-opted many previous stances that used to be talking points to be pointed at as examples of "leftist examples of extremism"?

The anti-vax, unpasteurized milk drinking, alternative medicine seeking "crunchy mom" USED to be called about by American "right" as an example of "leftist absurdity", but it seems that when that group finally found a political home that truly elevated its views to public policy - it was with the Republicans.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

The space (if it really is useful to think of as a space) of political opinions seems like it is probably many, many dimensional. The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification, but the 2D compass seems to be a not-obvious-simplification which is… much worse.

I don't think a one-dimensional scale is an oversimplification at all. Option A: better lives for the great majority. Option B: better lives for the small minority of rich. The trick is to get people to voluntarily vote against their best self-interest.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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post #134

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> Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. Sometimes, but not always. https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-bet... > By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2% of “very liberal” respondents died of interna…

It's interesting how distrust for big pharma used to be left wing, but is now right wing. How did that happen?

It's only interesting after you've removed all signs of nuance and dumbed the argument down to two keywords: "big" and "pharma". People are rightfully skeptical of pharmaceutical companies due to the enormous amount of power they wield over our lives and how they use that power, e.g., multi-national companies suing third world states over patent infringement for distributing generic live-saving drugs.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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To be honest I don't think what the models themselves say in relation to these specific questions matter. Because I don't think it reflects are durable underlying worldview. I suspect that the way you frame things is going to influence them so muc that it's irrelevant what they would say when put in a petri dish.

What is a lot more important is how they're develop. To take the two sides of the spectrum - they say has a slightly expansive attitude towards civil liberties, but if you try to use it's tool it will phone it's owners and ask permission for you to use it. Or you can pick up Grok one day and find out that Elon Musk had a bad weekend and Grok is back to being mecha hitler.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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I haven't encountered a chatbot yet that is willing to recognize DJT as a fascist. You can get them to acknowledge how perfectly aligned he is with fascist ideals and actions, somehow the jury is always out. That tells me a lot.

Not necessarily saying that you are doing this right now but I find when people use "fascist" as a snarl word and not an actual word with a definition and qualifiers. Maybe your LLM interactions are picking up on the actual word "fascist", which has a definition, that DJT certainly doesn't apply to.

eg: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism > a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

You can not like the guy and point to things that he's done and wag your finger with the LLM - but if the LLM is anchoring your question as a categorization/definitional question - DJT isn't that.

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Maybe similar, less charged, - ask it if an apple is a strawberry, describe all the ways they are similar, Edible, Red, Fruit, Sweet, found in groceries, smaller than a breadbasket... While maybe unintentionally ignoring all the ways they are different. Then act exasperated when it agreed with you on all points, but still denies your appeal that an apple is a strawberry.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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The political compass always felt like the wrong tool to convey something as nuanced as personal politics, I can have views on all four quadrants but you'd never know that if I end up in any of all four. I do think Grok being where it is sort of makes sense, I've tested "MAGA" views against Grok, it does not agree as much as people blindly assume it does, heck I don't even know of a question I've given it where it di…

This is not true, Grok responds to context like all other LLMs if you were actually maga you would get more maga feedback because it has weaker guardrails and will source random nonsense sources.
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