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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by andriy_koval »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #299
andriy_koval wrote: post #183

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We won't know without analyzing protocols how Israel picks targets. Also, harming civilians is the norm in modern world. Russia absolutely deliberately is targeting critical civilian infra in Ukraine (e.g. grid during cold winter).

If the effect of your actions is a war crime, you are a war criminal. If the Russians also do it, that is additional evidence of war crimes.

> If the effect of your actions is a war crime, you are a war criminal.

war crimes usually defined by intent: were civilians targeted intentionally.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tonks »

cognitiveinline wrote: post #3

Maybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by throw4684478 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #297
throwawayb2025 wrote: post #290

Just curious to know what is acceptable proportionate response for: 1. What was done on October 7? Assuming that some kind of response from Israel was acceptable. 2. Against Israel for what Israel is doing now? Assuming that Israel is over reacting. Maybe if we can come with a framework for what is acceptable, world can force certain behavior. Edited for formatting.

Oct 7th was a border security failure. The appropriate response was reinforcing the border and ensuring that gazans cant escape. Letting the gazans out was one of the biggest security blunders of the 21st century. Israel knew the government of gaza wants israel wiped off the map, this stuff isnt a surprise or anything. Israel absolutely had the capability of keeping the gazans in, they blew it. I see that this is clo…

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by [deleted] »

tonks wrote: post #286
customguy wrote: post #275

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Yemen and Sudan aren't doing this with our support, and while wagging their finger at us to better support them in their crimes against humanity. Calling that out at all isn't "only criticizing Israel". That framing suggests wanting the crimes to continue. In that case, from what position would you think you could wag your finger from? It's also not anti-Israel to be pro-human-rights and pro-accountability. Just like…

Wrong again. There are multiple countries involved in the war in Sudan. Saudi Arabia is one of them - the West's closest ally in the Middle East. We supply Saudi Arabia with nearly all its weapons and intel, which they pass it on to their side in Sudan. Oh, I didn't know that actually... Have you actually done any reading? Been to the region?

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tonks »

lorecore wrote: post #189
skybrian wrote: post #155

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Maybe it would help if other countries focused on the immediate problem: rescuing people from a dangerous situation. They should be volunteering to take refugees. Sadly, it's unlikely because they care more about keeping immigrants out.

Unless you're talking about Zionists returning to their homeland, you're advocating for ethnic cleansing. Palestinians should not be refugees from their own land.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by HDThoreaun »

throw4684478 wrote: post #303
HDThoreaun wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oct 7th was a border security failure. The appropriate response was reinforcing the border and ensuring that gazans cant escape. Letting the gazans out was one of the biggest security blunders of the 21st century. Israel knew the government of gaza wants israel wiped off the map, this stuff isnt a surprise or anything. Israel absolutely had the capability of keeping the gazans in, they blew it. I see that this is clo…

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> On the 7th Oct, Gazans took selfies in front of a tank on the border where you can see that the gun still had its cap on. The soldiers, confronted with a mob dressed as civilians, did not open fire, and were subsequently dragged out and killed.

They were understaffed.

Look, Im not some expert on border control so Im not going to claim I know what the cure here is. I do know that israel is a wealthy country with mandatory military service though. They had the manpower to staff the wall with guards with some sort of non lethal crowd control. Gaza is a prison camp, prisons never seem to throw up their hands and claim its impossible to keep the prisoners in. I understand the Israelis need to keep the gazans locked up. The israelis shouldve understood that people dont like being locked up though and they shouldve prepared better for attempted jail breaks.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by sonrics1611 »

gryzzly wrote: post #284
pvaldes wrote: post #112

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Had seen a testimony of an European doctor coming from Gaza saying that each week or month the hospitals where flooded with young males coming from the humanitarian food queues with a different gunshoot type. There was the month of the knees, the month of head gunshoots, and the month of the young men flooding the hospitals with their testicles blown off, all because they wanted to pick some food for their families.

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Oy vey watcha doin rabbi

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tomhow »

the_origami_fox wrote: post #213
xg15 wrote: post #118

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Yes, and that seems to be the rationale of western politicians as well, essentially, "we have to protect Israel to protect the Jewish people, without it, the Holocaust would risk repeating" That makes sense as a "subjective experience" (if there is something like the subjective experience of a people), but it fails the reality check for me. Yes, Israel is the center of Jewish life today (New York coming next apparent…

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> Well I tried but you are extremely ignorant, and my comment got flagged anyway.

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by pvaldes »

gryzzly wrote: post #284
pvaldes wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had seen a testimony of an European doctor coming from Gaza saying that each week or month the hospitals where flooded with young males coming from the humanitarian food queues with a different gunshoot type. There was the month of the knees, the month of head gunshoots, and the month of the young men flooding the hospitals with their testicles blown off, all because they wanted to pick some food for their families.

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> and Hamas shot them

Please don't offend our intelligence. Bullets have makers.

As I said, I forced myself to read until the end. If you do the same, you'll notice the part about the small titanium fragments lodged on the heads and legs of mutilated toddlers. Fragments that came from "made in USA" grenades. I'm pretty sure that US government is not selling this weapons to Hamas.

What Israel has done and keeps doing is beyond evil, but if they think that are smarter than the war criminologists of the planet; If they think that can exit unscathed from this in the end with just a few Jedi mind tricks, they are not just evil, but also extremely dumb and suicidal

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by jameshilliard »

throw310822 wrote: post #259
jameshilliard wrote: post #219

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> There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design. About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab so Palestinian integration into a state with a Jewish majority can work to a degree. The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work(i.e. basically all of Jewish history in Muslim majority countries).

The Jewish majority is not an issue. The issue is that Israel is not "the state of the Israelis", it's the Jewish state. You can become an Israeli, you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever. > The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying a…

> you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever.

AFAIU Israel does accept conversions to Judaism so that's not actually accurate.

> This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying an actual wrong (discrimination, apartheid, occupation, murder, you name it) with the allegation that a worse wrong would be committed by the other side.

I'm not justifying actual wrongs, however Israel giving citizenship to all individuals who claim to be Palestinians is unlikely to result in a good outcome.

> In other words, justifying actual crimes with imagined ones.

Just look at Palestinian opinion polling and it will become clear why giving citizenship to all Palestinians would likely result in a civil war.

> Jewish history in Muslim majority countries hasn't been worse than history in European and Christian countries.

Jews lived as second class citizens in Muslim majority countries.

> In many cases it was actually better.

That's not really saying much.

> The Holocaust was perpetrated by Europeans, not by Muslims.

Yet there are far more Jews living in Europe today than there are Jews living in MENA countries(excluding Israel). Maybe Europeans largely learned that their past behavior was wrong while those in MENA countries largely did not.

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