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What "dependency"? I don't use the Murena cloud at all on my /e/OS device.
/e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#302Once I read the title, I thought this was about Enlightenment but for mobile phones. I can't be the only one that thought of this.
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. There are zero OSes that are 1/ open source 2/ appropriate for phones 3/ with good hardware support. There's absolutely nothing. Running Ubuntu Touch isn't a viable option. Neither is postmarket, librem, tizen, they're all terrible. Security wise, for something as critically important in our lives as a smartphone, I am also not trusting any new pet projec…
> Google pulls the plug ? cool, you're stuck on Android 17 And you're stuck on the current hardware generation. Pretty much the only reason why Android sucks less than other mobile OSes is that hardware vendors have a pressing reason to make it work. The further the Google Android kernel diverges from its last-open version, the harder it will become to backport drivers -- and that's assuming that hardware vendors eve…
> And you're stuck on the current hardware generation.
As someone using a Pixel 3a as their main device that gave me a chuckle.
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#304I worked at Google before, so I trust Google more than these random organizations that claim they are better than Google at handling sensitive info.
Tell me how you can set up an Android device and install apps that require Google Play services (like all the most popular and important apps) and not have Google syphone all your contacts details. I mean everything: name, date of birth, addresses, emails, websites, relationships,etc.
Answer: you cannot.
Any time you log into a Google account just to use the Play Store, Android will instantly starts syncing all your contacts and you can't prevent that. You can't even toggle airplane mode as a network connection is required to login. And you cannot configure Android not to sync all contacts data with new Google accounts by default.
I bet Google has syphoned the details of every single person on Earth (without their consent) and I have to trust them not to use that?
F** em
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brave said they'll try to maintain limited support for MV2 for only 4 specific extensions, but recommend Brave Shields as the go-to adblocker for the future. Google is about to remove most of the MV2 code from the codebase, which will explode the complexity soon. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/
Brave has perverse incentives to discontinue it because of their BAT crypto business model that rewards looking at ads. Unfortunately even the fully open source Firefox isn't immune to the pressure from the advertising industry, with all their Google funding and their purchase of anonym.
What's the big deal? Brave's native adblocker works pretty well.
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's explore this a little further. I think it is legitimate to be a purist about smartphones, but I don't think the GP is. So, let's talk about the non-purist situation: Users like us want to de-google. But we are not willing to make all of the sacrifices that purists do. The question is then, what can we use (and - what projects can we support financially). Now, we can use GrapheneOS if we have Google Pixel's. But…
Where are those decent under 100 USD unlockable smartphones? suggesting we strengthen our ties to Google in order to de-Google is fundamentally problematic You may have seen that they are working with Motorola to release GrapheneOS-capable phones.
Smartphones from manufacturers/brands such as Bluefox, Oukitel, UniDigi, Doogee and even Xiaomi, Motorola and HTC. Examples:
https://us.smartprix.com/mobiles/price-below_100/smartphone-...
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. There are zero OSes that are 1/ open source 2/ appropriate for phones 3/ with good hardware support. There's absolutely nothing. Running Ubuntu Touch isn't a viable option. Neither is postmarket, librem, tizen, they're all terrible. Security wise, for something as critically important in our lives as a smartphone, I am also not trusting any new pet projec…
> Google pulls the plug ? cool, you're stuck on Android 17 And you're stuck on the current hardware generation. Pretty much the only reason why Android sucks less than other mobile OSes is that hardware vendors have a pressing reason to make it work. The further the Google Android kernel diverges from its last-open version, the harder it will become to backport drivers -- and that's assuming that hardware vendors eve…
> The further the Google Android kernel diverges from its last-open version
Can it even diverge though? The kernel code is GPL so I don't think Google can close it down even if they wanted.
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an astroturfing account.
It is weird they only discuss e/os. Does look like it. Astroturfing kills any trust I had in e/OS.
You're assuming a lot: That it is astroturf, then that the account must be directed by eOS itself and not some enthusiastic user or third party. Or to be really conspiratorial, an adversary who makes obviously astroturf positive comments in order to sow doubt about the project.
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#309Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…
>Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. There are zero OSes that are 1/ open source 2/ appropriate for phones 3/ with good hardware support. There's absolutely nothing. Running Ubuntu Touch isn't a viable option. Neither is postmarket, librem, tizen, they're all terrible. Security wise, for something as critically important in our lives as a smartphone, I am also not trusting any new pet projec…
Imagine if Boot2Gecko / FirefoxOS had someone kept going, I wonder if I'd have evolved sufficiently enough to be commercially viable?
Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem
#310I wanted to add a perspective from actual daily use, because a lot of this thread sounds theoretical. I’ve been using a Murena/Fairphone running /e/OS as my primary phone for a while now, and honestly the experience has been much smoother than I expected. My banking apps work, GPS/navigation works reliably, messaging and everyday apps behave normally — I’m not constantly fighting the device or giving things up. After…
This account has three comments on HN, all of them essentially the same type of /e/OS advocacy pablum. "I wanted to add a perspective from an LLM sockpuppet, because I know you're all not deeply cynical and mistrustful yet."
Happy owner of an /e/OS phone for the past 3 years here. I'm going to replace it for a Fairphone in the near future because I broke the camera on mine, and I'll take the /e/OS version without question.