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CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by defrost »

doctoboggan wrote: post #299
croes wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you review if you don‘t know in the first place? You can watch your doctor, your plumber, your car mechanic and still wouldn’t know if they di something wrong if you don’t know the subject as such.

You can learn a lot from watching your doctor, plumber or mechanic work, and you could learn even more if you could ask them questions for hours without making them mad.

You learn less from watching a faux-doctor, faux-plumber, faux-mechanic and learn even less by engaging in their hallucinations without a level horizon for reference.

Bob the Builder doesn't convey much about drainage needs for foundations and few children think to ask. Who knows how AI-Bob might respond.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by mobilio »

Melatonic wrote: post #119
simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

Why not cloudflare tunnels ?

CF tunnels are game changers for me!

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by gsich »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #232
SoftTalker wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just run an SSH server and forward local ports through that as needed. Simple (at least to me).

How many random people do you have hitting port 22 on a given day?

change port.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by mtoner23 »

simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

People are way too worried about security imo. Statistically, no one is targeting you to be hacked. By the time you are important and valuable enough for your home equipment to be a target you would have hired someone else to manage this for you

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by Galanwe »

johnisgood wrote: post #284
simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

Tailscale does not solve the "falling behind on updates" problem, it just moves the perimeter. Your services are still vulnerable if unpatched: the attacker now needs tailnet access first (compromised device, account, or Tailscale itself). You have also added attack surface: Tailscale client, coordination plane, DERP relays. If your threat model includes "OpenSSH might have an RCE" then "Tailscale might have an RCE"…

> BTW, why are people acting like accessing a server from a phone is a 2025 innovation?

> SSH clients on Android/iOS have existed for 15 years

That is not the point, Tailscale is not just about having a network connection, it's everything that goes with. I used to have OpenVPN, and there's a world of difference.

- The tailscale client is much nicer and convenient to use on Android than anything I have seen.

- The auth plane is simpler, especially for non tech users (parents, wife) whom I wish to access my photo album. They are basically independent with tailscale.

- The simplicity also allows me to recommend it to friends and we can link between our tailnet, e.g. to cross backup our NAS.

- Tailscale can terminate SSH publicly, so I can selectively expose services on the internet (e.g. VaultWarden) without exposing my server and hosting a reverse proxy.

- ACLs are simple and user friendly.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by 4k93n2 »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #126

I went down the self host route some years ago but once critical problems hit I realized that beyond a simple NAS it can be a very demanding hobby. I was in another country when there was a power outage at home. My internet went down, the server restart but couldn't reconnect anymore because the optical network router also had some problems after the power outage. I could ask my folks to restart, and turn on off thin…

syncthing might be worth looking into. ive been using that more and more the last few years for anything that i use daily, things like keepass, plain-text notes, calendars/contacts, rss feeds, then everything else that im "self hosting" are just things that i might only use a few times a week so its no big deal if i lose access.

its so much simpler when you have the files stored locally, then syncing between devices is just something that can happen whenever. anything that is running on a server needs user permissions, wifi, a router etc etc, its just a lot of complexity for very little gain.

although keep in mind im the only one using all of this stuff. if i needed to share things with other people then syncthing gets a bit trickier and a central server starts to make more sense

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by hexfish »

simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

Is Tailscale still recording metadata about all your connections? https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale/issues/16165

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by fetzu »

mtoner23 wrote: post #305
simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

People are way too worried about security imo. Statistically, no one is targeting you to be hacked. By the time you are important and valuable enough for your home equipment to be a target you would have hired someone else to manage this for you

I think this is very dangerous perspective. A lot of attacks on infra are automated, just try to expose a Windows XP machine to the internet for a day and see with how much malware you end up with. If you leave your security unchecked, you will end up attacked; not by someone targeting you specifically, but having all your data encrypted for ransom might still create a problem for you (even if the attacker doesn’t care about YOUR data specifically).
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