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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #145

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Just think about how few Android devices have an open bootloader right now, there's no reason to think it'd be any different on larger hardware.

On the flip side, every Chromebook and Chromebox has a unlockable and open-spurce coreboot bootloader.

I love their mechanism where one opens the device and removes a screw to unlock it. Very novel and honestly kind of fun.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #123

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Are you referring to the iPad Pro or is there an actual iPadOS Pro I've never heard about?

Of course I am referring to what millions of people buy today, many of whom that is their only computing device.

Good for them, but what's the relevance, are you saying because people buy it's moral?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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XFCE is plenty mature and very stable

Add Chicago95, and you've got some comfortable nostalgia. https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

This is just beautiful, thank you!

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #234

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> The amount of gnu bits in a desktop Linux distro is ever shrinking. What GNU software is actually being removed from any distro?

pipewire, systemd, Wayland, etc. none of that is produced or maintained by GNU.

ALSA, sysvinit, and Xorg weren't GNU projects, either.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #234

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> The amount of gnu bits in a desktop Linux distro is ever shrinking. What GNU software is actually being removed from any distro?

Ubuntu replaced their core userland utils with uutils, so the bulk of it. I’m guessing most other distros will follow suit.

Huh. I didn't know Ubuntu had replaced GNU coreutils. I'm not sure that alone counts as "the bulk of it", but it's definitely very significant.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Perhaps you may like Qubes OS.

Suggesting Qubes OS as the GNU/Linux equivalent of Android is admitting defeat. Android sandboxes multiple apps running on the same system/kernel. Qubes OS sandboxes multiple apps running on multiple different systems (VMs). Qubes, laudable as it may be, is not a parallel to Android.

Qubes is a much more secure alternative to Android without its main downside, which is that Google owns it and steers its development toward enshittification and control [0]. The latter even affects security directly [1].

Android's sandboxes are weaker and AFAIK rely on closed, non-auditable hardware (which is owned by Google in, e.g., GrapheneOS). Qubes protects you more reliably and doesn't require to abandon root privileges or a possibility to take screenshots.

Also, you don't have to run every app in a dedicated VM on Qubes: Instead you group them into security domains, which allowed me to organize my digital life like never before [3].

In addition, Qubes can protect you from supply-chain attacks by isolating VMs from the network and using different OSes side by side. I dream of using Qubes on mobile.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

[2] https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/how-to-guides/how-to...

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #210

No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops? What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Googl…

> Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Google decides so? It's not Google, it's the application vendor that decides so. And as annoying as I find it when I want to screenshot something from my bank app, the reasons behind that feature being available are pretty good. > Given what Google has done on the mobile space You seem to be missing the nuance that as annoying…

> they are necessary for the wider security posture of the average user

who's security will be raped as soon as another app is installed (hello Meta).

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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post #45

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Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

> So Android is the only operating system that could realistically be ready in the foreseeable future.

Ready for what ? Working with files on Android is ... interesting. Real app support on Android (shells, compilers, CAD/CAE) is ... interesting and the UX is... total crap.

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