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Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by whilo »

331c8c71 wrote: post #185
whilo wrote: post #158

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As a German coming from Mannheim, and now living on the Canadian West coast, I have to say that this is exactly the mindset that makes it so difficult to innovate in Germany. While people have a top education and know everything they need to, they don't have a "digital mindset". I think of myself now as computing process, and see myself as a cyberneticist in the German philosophical tradition of Hegel, Marx, Hilbert,…

Hmmm, does Jurgen Schmidhuber live in Germany? I'd think primarily Ticino where he spent the majority of his career if I understand correctly.

No, he lives in Switzerland now (Lugano as far as I know). Switzerland is a big magnet for European talent, as is Germany to a lesser degree. My point though was that Germany was not lacking the thinkers to drive a technological revolution, it is rather the society that does not really have the mindset for radical changes and forward thinking.

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Post by shafyy »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #245
shafyy wrote: post #235

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What kind of comparison is this? A government ministry is not a private enterprise, it has different goals and structures. It's like saying a cargo ship can't keep up with a speed boat.

Well let me put it this way: What is the point of the ministry, and why does the current global leader of super-high-tech (USA) not seem to be in need of such?

It says in the article what the point if the ministry is

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Post by pmags »

marcusverus wrote: post #300
pmags wrote: post #166

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Talk about a bad faith response. No counter data presented. Just deny and distract. Here's collaborating trends for the same calendar year: https://www.feedingamerica.org/research/charitable-food-assi... Feeding America estimates more than 50 million people received charitable food assistance sometime in 2023 I'm guessing you'll respond that charities that feed people have a vested interest and are not to be trusted.…

You seem to have lost the thread of the argument. The original comment was > no Americans, rich or poor, black or white, are starving. Frankly, we could all use a little more starving. You responding by providing evidence that some people had difficulty, at least once per year, in putting food on the table. This in no way contradicts the original claim, as having difficulty doing a thing is not synonymous with being…

I take it you missed / didn't read the response immediately above yours where I cited data on malnutrition related deaths in the US?

• Mostafa, N., Sayed, A., Rashad, O. et al. Malnutrition-related mortality trends in older adults in the United States from 1999 to 2020. BMC Med 21, 421 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12916-023-03143-8

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #134
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #93

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Sounds like you kinda just want an excuse to vote AfD without pointing to an element of their policy platform you think the rest of us should support too.

Q.E.D (Just for the record I don't vote AfD. I do like being German and I like what little culture we have left. You can be patriotic and at the same time left leaning.)

Ok, so what policies do you like about BWS, then?

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

bpodgursky wrote: post #112
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #92

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You mean as opposed to the American national idea of "work or starve, bitch"?

If you ever visited America, it would immediately strike you that no Americans, rich or poor, black or white, are starving. Frankly, we could all use a little more starving.

I've lived most of my life in America, where I was born.

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by [deleted] »

whilo wrote: post #301
331c8c71 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm, does Jurgen Schmidhuber live in Germany? I'd think primarily Ticino where he spent the majority of his career if I understand correctly.

No, he lives in Switzerland now (Lugano as far as I know). Switzerland is a big magnet for European talent, as is Germany to a lesser degree. My point though was that Germany was not lacking the thinkers to drive a technological revolution, it is rather the society that does not really have the mindset for radical changes and forward thinking.

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Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by marcusverus »

pmags wrote: post #304
marcusverus wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have lost the thread of the argument. The original comment was > no Americans, rich or poor, black or white, are starving. Frankly, we could all use a little more starving. You responding by providing evidence that some people had difficulty, at least once per year, in putting food on the table. This in no way contradicts the original claim, as having difficulty doing a thing is not synonymous with being…

I take it you missed / didn't read the response immediately above yours where I cited data on malnutrition related deaths in the US? • Mostafa, N., Sayed, A., Rashad, O. et al. Malnutrition-related mortality trends in older adults in the United States from 1999 to 2020. BMC Med 21, 421 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12916-023-03143-8

The article about elderly people who struggle to absorb nutrition?

> Of these deaths, 34.3% took place inside medical facilities, 30.2% inside nursing homes/long-term care facilities, and 25.6% inside the descendant’s home.

Is America is so broke that we can't feed people in hospitals and nursing homes? Obviously not. These are people whose bodies are shutting down due to told age, not people who are being neglected by society.

In an attempt to show that people are starving due to poverty, you've instead shown that we're expending many, many times the cost of feeding them in an attempt to keep them alive. No doubt you're incapable of admitting that this is directly contradictory to the spirit of your thesis.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

DataDaoDe wrote: post #84
pasabagi wrote: post #36

I actually think Germany would be really good at digital infrastructure if they stopped being afraid of friend computer. Germany is immensely proud of its history of creating standards - there's literally a place in berlin called DIN Platz. Germany is also very proud, and rightly so, in its history of mathematical innovation. Everything that isn't dross in the computer world is either a well designed standard, or a w…

Germany has tons of potential, but Germany is one of the most risk averse countries on the planet (see Uncertainty Avoidance Cultures)[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_avoidance ]. This makes it amazing at building high quality industrial products, taking innovation done elsewhere and refining and polishing it, slowly over many years - building standards as you say. However, it doesn't help much in the inno…

    > the robust legislation and bureaucracy (in a controlling sense) around all financial products
Germany has the world's largest, most liberal, and most liquid listed (<-- read that term twice before you rebut with an unlisted market!) equity structured products market. These products are essentially leveraged equity/FX options packaged as a bond. I'm confused. Can you be more specific about which particular "financial products" you think are excessively regulated in Germany?

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by pmags »

marcusverus wrote: post #308
pmags wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it you missed / didn't read the response immediately above yours where I cited data on malnutrition related deaths in the US? • Mostafa, N., Sayed, A., Rashad, O. et al. Malnutrition-related mortality trends in older adults in the United States from 1999 to 2020. BMC Med 21, 421 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12916-023-03143-8

The article about elderly people who struggle to absorb nutrition? > Of these deaths, 34.3% took place inside medical facilities, 30.2% inside nursing homes/long-term care facilities, and 25.6% inside the descendant’s home. Is America is so broke that we can't feed people in hospitals and nursing homes? Obviously not. These are people whose bodies are shutting down due to told age, not people who are being neglected…

At this point I can't help but conclude you're trolling, or the post linked here applies -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43693402

But for the record here's the breakdown of malnutrition related mortality (ICD codes E40-E46) by 5 year age blocks as reported by the CDC for 2023. First field is age range, 2nd field is total number of deaths attributed to ICD codes related to malnutrition:

  25-29 years, 17 
  30-34 years, 22
  35-39 years, 40
  40-44 years, 71
  45-49 years, 119
  50-54 years, 197
  55-59 years, 323
  60-64 years, 651
  65-69 years, 1112
  70-74 years, 1722
  75-79 years, 2507
  80-84 years, 3321
  85-89 years, 4147
  90-94 years, 4362
  95-99 years, 2821
  100+ years, 824
  Total 22284
Anyone who wishes to repeat the query themselves or to look at other demographic aspects can do so at https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10-expanded.html

ICD classifications aren't perfect but they are standardized. Here's the CDCs description of where this data comes from:

The Underlying Cause of Death database contains mortality and population counts for all U.S. counties. Data are based on death certificates for U.S. residents. Each death certificate identifies a single underlying cause of death and demographic data....

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